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    A counterpoint commentary.

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    To us it’s conceivable that a malfunctioning device on the network could start sending out damaged packets and cause a dangerous malfunction like this one.
    Sure. Wake me up when Toyota finally fess up that the sticking accelerator is actually software [come on - you know that's what it really is]

    To do so, he would have to either reverse engineer or obtain from other sources the CAN messaging protocol.
    Ah, yes, security through obscurity. Especially obscurity when sixty bucks nets you the whole thing in agonising detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkyks View Post
    Ah, yes, security through obscurity. Especially obscurity when sixty bucks nets you the whole thing in agonising detail.

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    The fear is that hackers can control you brakes/acceleration/locks etc remotely. I know that the commands on my GM vehicle for controlling those modules aren't going to work on Gary's mini. Why? Because those codes aren't listed in the $60 document. They aren't an industry standard. Sure, how messages are passed may be in that standard, but you've still got to figure out the codes which are likely different for each mfg.

    Also, I've written an ECU anti-virus app that you can install on your ECU to prevent viruses. I'm selling it for $100. I think you'll really like it. It auto-updates for additional security and it disables the car if you have old definitions just for good measure. You don't want to drive a vulnerable car anyway.
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    i just want everyone to have a car that drives itself so we can eliminate the drunk driving laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trader007 View Post
    i just want everyone to have a car that drives itself so we can eliminate the drunk driving laws.
    If everyone was responsible about how they drink, we wouldn't need drunk driving laws. Sadly, a side-effect of drinking may throw responsibility out the window with the empty keg. Completely autonomous cars would be cool though. I'd read more books and sleep more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    If everyone was responsible about how they drink, we wouldn't need drunk driving laws. Sadly, a side-effect of drinking may throw responsibility out the window with the empty keg. Completely autonomous cars would be cool though. I'd read more books and sleep more.
    well yeah, if everyone conformed then would wouldnt even need jaywalking laws... but that would strongly go against what america and other free nations are about. just gotta wait for technology to save us... i mean we still have laws regarding farm tractors on roads but the majority of us never have to worry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trader007 View Post
    well yeah, if everyone conformed then would wouldnt even need jaywalking laws... but that would strongly go against what america and other free nations are about. just gotta wait for technology to save us... i mean we still have laws regarding farm tractors on roads but the majority of us never have to worry about that.
    Wait, America is a "free nation"? I guess that's a conversation for another day :P
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    The motor industry Block Exemption Regulations were last renewed in 2002 when a number of changes were introduced to increase competition in sales and servicing or repair.

    The current Block Exemption Regulations expire in 2010 and the freedom to have your car serviced or repaired where you choose, is under threat.

    Could this article, potentially, be used to sway future decision making on Block Exemption Regulations for the motor industry? Is this a tactic to make the data that is essential to fixing your car in the future more elusive and expensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    Wait, America is a "free nation"? I guess that's a conversation for another day :P
    I'd say 50% off at best
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