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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I couldn't believe I was hearing that...I went to my apple account right then and there to return the iP4. But I couldn't, it was past the 30 day period. I feel like a sucker.
    Umm... The 30 day period starts the day it is activated, according to AT&T when I called them. Seeing as the iP4 wasn't released until June 24th, you still have time.

    I'm the same boat. I'm returning my iP4 tomorrow, reactivating my 3G (out of contract again ), and then waiting for the Galaxy S to be released on Verizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    If android isn't slow, they just blew away the laws of physics by going from "fast" to "out of this world" by improving performance by 400%.

    The fact is, Java code doesn't run as fast as native code. They threw in a JIT compiler and now things are a lot faster.

    You'll never hear apple gaining anywhere in the ballpark of 400% gains in software performance unless they actually change the hardware. Sad to say, but iOS is the standard. It's snappy and beautiful.

    If you do something and all of the sudden are getting 400% gains, chances are you were doing it wrong to begin with.
    400% gains in load speeds...not actual execution speed. It starts faster thats all. Apple and many others could see load speed increases of 400% if they had better cache management which allowed for faster application loading

    I won't even get into how JITed code can be just as fast as native code and sometimes even faster depending on the situation. For example memory allocations/deallocations are exponentially faster then native code due to the virtual allocations that take place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    400% gains in load speeds...not actual execution speed. It starts faster thats all. Apple and many others could see load speed increases of 400% if they had better cache management which allowed for faster application loading
    From what I read it's benchmark scores that go up, not app loading time:

    http://androidandme.com/2010/02/news...han-you-think/

    Also, from what I've seen, and I don't own an iPhone, but apps start up pretty fast generally. also, I don't hear complaints about iOS running slow or laggy or sluggish like I hear about android devices.

    I won't even get into how JITed code can be just as fast as native code and sometimes even faster depending on the situation. For example memory allocations/deallocations are exponentially faster then native code due to the virtual allocations that take place.
    I'm not arguing that JIT code is faster/slower than native code. I'm arguing that if android was already fast, they wouldn't have needed to add a JIT compiler at all. Also, JIT compiling things at runtime also has a performance hit, until it's done compiling... And handsets have very limited resources to begin with and multi-tasking only adds load to the system.

    It's like two different ends of the spectrum here: iOS: native code, no multi-tasking; Android, virtual/bytecode/JIT-compiled code, full multi-tasking. And look at the consequences... OEMs are pumping out faster and faster processors in their handsets *because users dont' like any lag at all in their user experience*. I wonder how If android doesn't drive adoption of faster-than-arm x86 chips, I dont' know what will .

    I wonder how many CPU revs the iPhone has gotten in the last several iPhone revs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr4284 View Post
    Umm... The 30 day period starts the day it is activated, according to AT&T when I called them. Seeing as the iP4 wasn't released until June 24th, you still have time.

    I'm the same boat. I'm returning my iP4 tomorrow, reactivating my 3G (out of contract again ), and then waiting for the Galaxy S to be released on Verizon.
    I ordered mine on June 13th from Apple - according to Apple that's what counts. AT&T may return what, the plan I signed? But the actual iPhone I bought from Apple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I ordered mine on June 13th from Apple - according to Apple that's what counts. AT&T may return what, the plan I signed? But the actual iPhone I bought from Apple.
    I will punch a kitten if they try that BS with me. I did the pre-order, as well. As I mentioned, I'm returning mine tomorrow. If I have good luck with it, I can ship you over my receipts if you'd like to bring them to your Apple store.

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    Thanks, bud, I'm going to try again.

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    wow, i thought you were joking at first about the video...

    that absolutely destroys any reason i have of ever desiring anything with a apple logo on it ever again(yes, i will keep my iphone 3g, but only until it dies a horrible death-- which, at the rate of apples attitude towards customers, might be on a firing range...)

    has microsoft ever been this bad? i really can't remember any times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    wow, i thought you were joking at first about the video...
    Nope, it's in the official Apple website: they introduce the July 16th press conference with that video: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html


    Okay, after speaking to a live person, I got my return request accepted. I have an address and label to returrn it to Apple. No restocking fees.

    But I have to contact AT&T and confirm there's not going to be any ETFees and I want my upgrade eligibility restored. If that can be resolved smoothly, then I'll buy an Android. I sold my 3G so I guess I'll have to go with the only decent Android on AT&T, the Samsung Captivate.

    I wanted the Android X, but I was deeply disappointed to know it's a CDMA phone? Oh, man. I thought everybody went GSM by now...My last CDMA had an antenna...it's a phone without a passport, if you ask me, so no. I heard the Samsung screen is great (blacks are true blacks, no backlight), and it's super fast, but I'll try to get a hold of it at a store and see if I can use it as a replacement for the iP4.

    (So what's an Android? What does Samsung adds to the mix? And what does AT&T (just apps, that can be deleted?). Can it be J/b? I should open a new thread for this somewhere, but maybe not on mp3car?)

    Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I sold my 3G so I guess I'll have to go with the only decent Android on AT&T, the Samsung Captivate.
    You actually have one other option, the Nexus One. Of course it's not subsidized and I believe that Google is pulling the plug on production very soon if not already. But it's basically Google's development phone, so it gets every update first. Also since it's unsubsidized you won't need to extend your contract.

    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I wanted the Android X, but I was deeply disappointed to know it's a CDMA phone? Oh, man. I thought everybody went GSM by now...My last CDMA had an antenna...it's a phone without a passport, if you ask me, so no. I heard the Samsung screen is great (blacks are true blacks, no backlight), and it's super fast, but I'll try to get a hold of it at a store and see if I can use it as a replacement for the iP4.
    It's all about carrier coverage first IMO. If you like GSM and AT&T has good coverage for you, stick with it, there are good Android choices on every carrier. The Droid X isn't particularly superior to the Samsung Captivate or the Nexus One, the bigger screen and higher resolution camera are the only things that quickly come to mind. The Captivate has a really nice looking screen, it's that new Super AMOLED tech. AndroidCentral did a nice photo comparison here: http://www.androidcentral.com/multim...-amoled-vs-lcd

    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    (So what's an Android? What does Samsung adds to the mix? And what does AT&T (just apps, that can be deleted?). Can it be J/b? I should open a new thread for this somewhere, but maybe not on mp3car?)
    Take a look at this hands on that AndroidCentral did with the Captivate: http://www.androidcentral.com/att-sa...aptivate-hands

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    Returned my iP4 this morning, reactivated my 3G. No problems.

    I'm waiting for the Samsung Galaxy S to be released on Verizon and then I'm headed that direction. Check out the head-to-head benchmarks:



    I'm at work so YouTube is blocked, but if that doesn't embed, here's the link:
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRK2stnV3Wg[/media]

    Obviously the power ratings of the Galaxy S, Droid X, and the Evo 4G will go up once they get 2.2 and Froyo. The mods he's talking about is just Droid speak for jailbreaking. You can gain root access to a phone, called "rooting," which is basically jailbreaking.

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