I liked the comparison with the iPhone. Good screen, widely available, and the Inelmatic is looking good. Maybe I should wait for some hopefully upcoming rebates...
I really want to like mo-co-so's, but I really don't rate lilliputs at all. I think the Xenarcs are slightly better built. Why everbody choses the lilliput to mod over others I don't know, must be commercial reasons surely.
I still have to use this in the car, but here it is outside in the sun:
I did stick it in the car to see if the sun reflections would blind me and it is a fair bit better than my non transflective Xenarc, but I think it will still wash out.
It looks like the Inelmatic has a glare finish like the laptop in the above photo. It should make it easier to read in the sun providing objects in front of it (ie, you, passenger) aren't directly illuminated by the sun and reflecting back in the screen.
A direct reflection of the sun might be a bit less painful on the anti-glare transflective monitors, but readability might be a bit lower.
With the current technology I don't think there will be a "best of both worlds" monitor. Nothing will be readable when reflecting the sun into your eyes and touch-screens just make it even worse.
In the end it comes down to what you prefer to look at, I don't think there is a clear winner.
Best performance will probably be achieved with a non touch-screen display. Or don't but a car with a sunroof :p
What laptop is that? Good outdoor screen. Now that screen on the right, which one is that?
Hard to tell from the pictures really, the focus does not seem right, or maybe it's the sharpness.
The best comparisons I think can only be made with video. I don't know why it's so hard to capture what we're saying with just pictures, but thanks for trying anyway, I can see exactly what you mean (I think). :-)
Photobucket must have resized it, I took it with my DSLR.
The laptop is just a run of the mill $700 Acer laptop. Nothing special, uses the same Crystalbrite screen they use on most of their laptops.
The small screen is a mocoso transflective lilliput.
The screen is definately an upgrade from my old untreated Xenarc and seems much better made. It doesn't blind me when the sun is reflected into my eye. Before I bought it I was asking for pictures of the sun reflected in it but nobody seemed to quite understand what I wanted. You can't read it in those conditions, but unlike the Xenarc it isn't like a mirror. It does wash out in a purple haze, but it isn't dangerous when the sun bounces off and hits your eyes.
The control board is actually screwed into the bracket and not stuck on with double sided tape like the Xenarc was and the all-in-one cable is nice too.
What I would really like to see is an LCD installed in an aluminium frame that protects the PCB and provides some fastening tabs on the side. I think there were some pics of something like that in another recent thread.
Is ultimate sunlight use even possible? I sat in a new Acura recently and the screen washed out when the sun hit it. Acura's fix was a matte black piece of cloth for in front of the screen to reduce reflections.
We're not going to see optimal clarity with resistive touch panels. The conductive layers, the gap between the sheets (that can't be optically bonded).. not gonna happen. This is probably why companies like Audi skip the touch-screen part altogether (I think..)
Bottom line: While the transflective upgrades are worth it over the base monitors, the ultimate solution will end up being a "built from the ground up" solution, right down to the LCD layer in the panel. Modifying off the shelf products won't get you that far, at least not yet.
Here's a direct, "sun reflected in screen" shot that nobody else has been able to provide:
Note that because the sun is quite small as reflected in the screen, it is not reflected in the laptop screen, so this isn't intended to be a "comparison" shot.
The first shot was looking at the screen in outdoor ambient light with the sun behind the camera but not directly reflected towards the camera lens
The second shot was looking at the screen in outdoor light with the sun above and behind the camera, reflected directly towards the camera lens. This is a condition not normally encountered in a car, but in convertibles or cars with large sunroofs, i is quite possible for this to happen.
Thanks. Big mistake I did was to buy expensive AG shields for my tablet and iPad. I think they look better without them, the AG really diffuses the sun light all over the screen...does not look good.
I'm looking everywhere for a good screen.
I guy I know is into shooting HD movies with his DSLR commercially. He was looking into a well built outdoor screen, rugged. He is looking into Marshalls, but not the transflective ones at first - those can be very expensive. He bought a box where he'll put the laptop in protected from the sun just to make sure the filming was good, so that is not essential. It's just for the focus.
SO besides $2K Marshalls, he is considering something like this:
A Transflective Marshall can go easily 2K even used, but this one looks good to me:
It's 800x600 which isn't HD yet they claim it is. Hate it when sellers do that.
Originally Posted by RipplingHurst
The 10.4" I had in my Yukon is much better than that screen and it was "only" $580 LOL