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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    tweakeden-- in ref to post #35, check the mp3car store, they have a kit what would allow a iphone to do as you describe.



    large generalizations are bad for everyone. they are too easy to debunk and make you look bad(i learned the hard way as well).

    stock audio systems are really improving in many cars-- last year, i demoed a mitsu lancer evo with the factory rockford fosgate system in it-- using music from my own collection, and except for the rf-trademark of really bright highs(all rf tweeters are like that, so i don't fault the car), i couldn't find any large flaws that would make it worth ripping out right away. honestly, i am starting to see where car makers are paying attention to the size of the aftermarket audio industry, and these days a 'premium audio system' really does mean more then just the addition of a whizzer cone on all the speakers...


    i run a ipod when my carpc doesn't work, and the audio really about as good as the carpc, minus a couple x-over tweaks-- i would expect the ipad to do just as good. and i run a full active setup with separately purchased component drivers, not some best buy store special...


    over the last couple months, i have been having issues when i go over random bumps(drive off a cliff and it's fine, run over a worm, and the problem happens), the pc reboots/locks up/freezes. i think i finally nailed it down to being mo.bo. flex around the memory slot causing the memory to become unseated.

    yesterday i was going nuts after it happened yet again less then 4 min into a drive. and at that moment, i was ready to yank the entire pc and refab my dash for a tablet/bitone combo.

    you see, i fit all your requirements-- i can fabricate, have extensive experience with 12v systems, have a best-of-the-best screen, a 7" transflective capacitive touch 669, and upgraded my entire audio system less then a month after buying the car--even teaching the local car audio shop some things about my model in the process. yet, the all-in-one nature of the new tablets are what is so appealing because it removed all the parts that i was having trouble with.

    i believe i have the solution worked out, so the carpc stays now for the advantages i listed before...

    for years, there has been a decent amount of people here that didn't like laptop setups because of their bulkiness, but wanted a unobtrusive carpc. some wanted it because it was a leased car, some did it because they had plans of selling the car soon, or some did it because they just didn't want to tear into the dash, or had concerns of theft. in many of these situations, i have seen at least half of the people showing off, or talking about older project vehicles that had plenty of modifications done to them...

    i think the people that can't fabricate are only a small portion of the people that really want a tablet in-car. most that have the urge to put a tablet in-car seem to already have fab skills, or the willingness to learn those skills. i don't see many people asking for fab work for tablets...

    i think tablets fill a different need in the carpc world. as i hinted at before, i don't believe they are the end-all-be-all, but they have their place.
    Interesting points. Even more interesting that your main complaint about your "carputer" is a case of a pc crashing and you frustrated on debugging it. Honestly you are proving my point with those complaints. I digress.....

    As for tablet and high-end, not even close. Call me when you have time alignment, multiple 1/3rd octave equalization, 8+ channels, built in RTA, microphone input with phantom power, and customizable dacs in a $400 solution.

    Additionally, if you consider your ipod "audio really about as good as the carpc, minus a couple x-over tweaks" I don't know what to say other than your definition of high-end and your carputer capabilities are drastically different than what I am referring to.

    As for your issues, I'd suggest a couple things:

    SSD, proper mounting, hell even hot glue or epoxy (google for images of electronics built for harsh environments....even space destined electronics). These are NOT hard to overcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    Why do you think cell phones are banned in some states?
    it's because of what the average idiot does with them that forced the laws-- like texting a entire biography while on the freeway......

    to elaborate on the rest of malcoms post-- many of the screens and onscreen buttons of cell phones are too small to be easily used while driving. if you look at car navigation screens, or many carpc fe's, they all have buttons larger then a average persons finger-- it makes for a larger target, so the driver has to spend less time concentrating in 'pressing right there' and can focus more on driving.

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    OMFG, this thread is awesome. Tweaken.... Car PC units do do that. A call comes in, you hit a button, it mutes the music and you talk. I mean for a flawless Car PC, you have to spend the time researching. My system is fairly fast, even with clunky CF as the FE. Now mind you, this is the 3rd version of my Car PC. First I started with a VIA M10000. It suffered from blue screens. Then went to a Kino-690S. Decided it wasnt powerful enough. Now I'm on the final revision, a Zotac 9300 with a E8200. I went with this one after lots of research and help from MP3car Forums. Now I have a setup that does everything, including emulate PS1 and PS2 (PS2 is a little iffy). In the end a PC will always be more powerful. If it isnt, you swap out a component and its powerful again. Yes, you have to worry about wires, but thats only one time, once its in you never have to worry. Yes, thing can go wrong, but with careful planning you can eliminate that. For example, Soundman98's issue with MoBo flex. I made special backs and brackets to keep that from happening, since my heat sinks are very large. I can hit a speed bump at 50 MPH and not worry. SSD keeps me from worrying about skips. I am concerned about my second system, which does have a 3.5 HDD. Eventually I will update that to a SSD also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    OMFG, this thread is awesome. Tweaken.... Car PC units do do that. A call comes in, you hit a button, it mutes the music and you talk.
    Yes, I know, I'm just lazy. :-P

    ...And I don't know if I want to spend more money/time on hardware if I'm not going to be keeping the CarPC anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TweakEn View Post
    Yes, I know, I'm just lazy. :-P

    ...And I don't know if I want to spend more money/time on hardware if I'm not going to be keeping the CarPC anyways.
    But you would have been hitting a button with a tablet also!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    But you would have been hitting a button with a tablet also!!!!!!!!
    Minus the installing a mic and running wires. I don't mind hitting a button as long as the mic magically installs itself in my car and doesn't cost anything extra.

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    I was browsing through you tube and came across this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNFR...e_gdata_player which seems to answer the black box issue started earlier. There are definitely some bugs to be worked out with tablet installs like everything else but I how to see much of it resolved in the near future, definitely a viable platform

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    Quote Originally Posted by TweakEn View Post
    Minus the installing a mic and running wires. I don't mind hitting a button as long as the mic magically installs itself in my car and doesn't cost anything extra.
    Like stated before, you run wires once and your done. It just like a tablet, you have to run wires, just not as many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freudie1 View Post
    Interesting points. Even more interesting that your main complaint about your "carputer" is a case of a pc crashing and you frustrated on debugging it. Honestly you are proving my point with those complaints. I digress.....
    i'm not seeing it-- your last couple points seemed to be focused on new members capabilities, and i was showing that i am capable, but there are certain aspects of a tablet install that are desirable.

    though, my carpc is mounted on a 3/8" sheet of plexiglass, so my poor 'mounting system'(if it can even be called that) is half the issue... though, i knew that was a questionable tactic when i started mounting everything to it many years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by freudie1 View Post
    As for tablet and high-end, not even close. Call me when you have time alignment, multiple 1/3rd octave equalization, 8+ channels, built in RTA, microphone input with phantom power, and customizable dacs in a $400 solution.
    search for audiomulch. that is what i am running for a host audio manipulation program-- the solutions are literally endless. i had originally started on using the carpc for the advanced t/a and rta solutions, but lately have just not gotten around to it. i even have a calibration mic and software sitting on my workbench....

    there was a time where i was looking into building my own, or modding a sound card, though it just never took off because my esi gigaport fills the need relatively cheaply, and sounds plenty good to me.

    the entire reason for my carpc was because i was standing in best buy, looking at new decks after blowing up my last pioneer(live and learn). i had a choice between a $3,000 alpine IMprint system that allowed for some basic tweaks, or i could go with a similarly priced hu/sound processor combo. at the time, i saw limitations in all of them. i still needed a pc to program(at the time, only had a home pc, no laptops available), and in some cases i could use a built in mic for t/a, but not set my own settings. so the carpc idea was re-born(had considered it for my last car, but the project lacked money) because of the limitations i saw with the current batch of hardware at that time.

    now, i have a laptop, and am starting to get to the point where i have less and less time to tinker with things during the work week(i just need it to work during the week), so my needs are slightly changing, though the cost to scrap all my current stuff and start over is the major limitation right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by freudie1 View Post
    Additionally, if you consider your ipod "audio really about as good as the carpc, minus a couple x-over tweaks" I don't know what to say other than your definition of high-end and your carputer capabilities are drastically different than what I am referring to.
    please try to remember-- audio is a very subjective area. i have never been able to tell the difference between a $5 and $1500 interconnect cable, though i know there are many people that can, and just because you might be able to doesn't mean that my audio system is poor, it just doesn't meet your requirements--which was never the point of my audio system in the first place.

    my family, and many of my friends don't care about audio as long as at least something is emitting the audio in the car. i can tell the difference in tweeter types and crossover points without seeing the equipment..


    Quote Originally Posted by freudie1 View Post
    As for your issues, I'd suggest a couple things:

    SSD, proper mounting, hell even hot glue or epoxy (google for images of electronics built for harsh environments....even space destined electronics). These are NOT hard to overcome.
    no they are not very hard to overcome. they just take time to work out. it took me nearly 6 months to specifically pin the problem to the ram/slot interface, and now i know, and it will be getting fixed... sometime... or i'll just keep reslotting the ram and deal with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    no they are not very hard to overcome. they just take time to work out. it took me nearly 6 months to specifically pin the problem to the ram/slot interface, and now i know, and it will be getting fixed... sometime... or i'll just keep reslotting the ram and deal with it
    Have you thought about taking the mobo out and maybe putting cardboard thick enough to stop the flexing? Maybe even a small wood block, but then you have to make sure to cut it to the exact height so it doesnt bend it upwards.
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