Flaming New Forum Users

[Road_Dog]

I think posting a reply to search without giving more clues should be automaticly deleted . Not everyone is going to adhere to being polite and force deletion will slow down the bashing.

It is time to cut the rude.


Road Dog

[Carter]

I've been around the forums for quite some time. I havn't posted a lot but browsed around more than my fair share. I've seen some posts where people are rude, but generally people here are very nice. I've had multiple conversations held with private messages with some members that were more than happy to help me one on one. I enjoy the community here, maybe there are just a few bad apples that spoil it for everyone?

Just go by the old saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all!"

-EDIT: I think we should make a pact or a treaty to be nicer to forum noobs! hail the noobs!

[DarquePervert]

For all those people whpo don't like to see newbies being pointed at the FAQs or told to search...

If the long-time members are supposed to answer any question that comes along in any thread, then what is the point of taking the time to write up the FAQs and enter stuff int eh Wiki?
Those are informational resources, and are there for the benefit of the users. Many members over the years have spent much time and effort to compile the information to make it readily available to anyone.

Granted, there are a great many topics that will yield a lof of caca in the search results. However, it's that very scenario that prompted the FAQ Emporium and the Wiki.


The fact is that this hobby requires the ability to think on your feet, do some research and planning and think on your feet. Frankly, if someone can't learn a bit from the informational resources they have at their disposal, then vehicle computing is probably not the best hobby in my opinion. There's simply too much at stake, including your vehicle, your safety, and even your life!
That's right, YOUR LIFE! You botch your wiring and create a short that burns your car up with you in it, and your life is at risk, believe it or else.

Rather than cpomplain about people telling members to search or use the FAQs, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to help make the Wiki and the FAQ section a better resource so that they are easier for new members to utilize?

This is where I'd normally put in my fish vs fishing analogy, but I'll save that for someone else.

[Jay_1.8t]

Whether I agree or not won't make any difference but I will say a lot of time people ask questions because they don't know what to search for leaving the no other option than to ask. Answer to their question might exist somewhere but people hardly ever point to exactly that. Most of the time is just a simple link to FAQ page or a post with 26 pages and possibly somewhere in the middle vague answer lies. What burns me is that couple of mods are doing this.

[JohnWPB]

If the long-time members are supposed to answer any question that comes along in any thread, then what is the point of taking the time to write up the FAQs and enter stuff int eh Wiki?

Well, I can actually answer that very simply:

"Long time members" are not required, in any way, to answer these questions. Nor are they required to respond with "Search!!!!!"

"Long time members" are here mostly 2 reasons, the foremost, is to monitor the posts, and moderate any wrong doings or harassment, and exersize any corrective control, that you have been given, by the people that came here before we did.

The second, is to be there for support, and to lend a helping hand to the new guys. Even as a super moderator, you also had your very first post in the forums, and worked your way up in the ranks as your knowledge and experience grew.

I could think of 10,000 questions that are not covered in the 10-15 or so FAQ's.

For someone new, that has a question about, say adjusting the volume based on the speed you are driving. What do you search for? "GPS", "Speed"??? Can you say 878 results returned, and not even close to find what you did try to search for?
(No this is not covered in the FAQ's and is also not covered in the SkinCommands.txt that comes with Road Runnner).

As for burning down your car, that is understandable as well.... in a way I guess.

Personally, I know a few electrical engineer's that make 6 figures a year doing what they do best. These same people would not know the first thing about configuring a plugin for WinAmp. The opposite is that I know quite a few programmers that would not know what the hell a 35a fuse link is running to an amp installed in the car.

The bottom line, if all of us knew everything there is to know, then there would be no forums, dictionaries, encyclopedias.........


As for the FAQ's Thats a great idea. I personally have written up two FAQ's that are in the FAQ section as stickies:

Yes, there are ways to speed up Road Runner

How do I display Album Art in Road Runner, and where can I get the images? (Moved by GizmoQ, and thus his name appears as the poster)

Most of the FAQ's (Other than from Guino) are from just regular members, and not moderators, so there are definitely people here that do not mind trying to lend a helping hand for sure. Thats what makes this a great community.

[meddler]

I don't like entering into discussions like this, but I am going to anyway.

Guys, If you think that someone has been flamed, then report the post. Contrary to popular belief the mods / admins don't read every post on the forums. The mods will look at the post and take the appropriate action. If you think it is one of the mods that has flamed someone, then report it. They may not be aware of what they have done. Everyone is human. (well most of us).

I myself being a super mod am here to enforce the rules. If you don't like what is happening, tell the mods. If you are not happy with the response, take it up with one of the Admins or ultimately ZipLock.

Mp3Car.com has nearly 60000 members, I am sure that the amount of regulars on here are around 5000 and there are about 1000000 posts. This does make information hard to find, but it is there. I admit that some of the responses I have given to newbies has been a bit short as well. What DP was saying about people not searching for the most basic of things is true. I have seen posts that if the title was put into the search function, the answer was in the first returned post. This does get annoying when the same questions are being asked time and time again. Mind you this very topic gets raised about once a year in different parts of the forums. I seem to remember that last time, a suggestion of a newbie questionaire was put forward. Maybe this could be the answer.

There has been always been bit of us vs them with the digitalcar forum. But as Griff1 has said they are both useful sites. I peruse digitalcar from time to time as well. Both site should be congratulated for the information they hold and the abilities and knowledge of their members.

At the end of the day we are all in it for the same things. Doing things that haven't been done before and being the leaders in the CarPC community. We should all treat people the way you yourself want to be treated. New or not.

meddler.

NOTE: All of what I have said is MY opinion. If you opinion differs from mine, that's fine. We are all different. As long as at the end of the day we can sit down and have a beer together regardless of our differences, all is good.

[Rob Withey]

For someone new, that has a question about, say adjusting the volume based on the speed you are driving. What do you search for? "GPS", "Speed"???

I entered "speed and volume" into the search box and got a bunch of relevant hits. Boolean searches are good, you can search for multiple things at once to reduce the number of irrelevant hits.

[DarquePervert]

I'm going to shuffle this discussion off to Suggestions/Comments, where it rightfully should be.

Well, I can actually answer that very simply:

"Long time members" are not required, in any way, to answer these questions. Nor are they required to respond with "Search!!!!!"

Nobody is required to do anything.
However, I make it a point to tell new users that there are these informational resources available to them. I'm talking about the FAQs, the Wikiw, and the search.
If I know the answer to someone's issue, I'll offer my suggestions. If I don't know the solution, but do know that the answer is in a discussion thread that can be found by searching, I'll say that, too.

The bottom line, if all of us knew everything there is to know, then there would be no forums, dictionaries, encyclopedias......... you get the point.

A dictionary or encyclopedia is useless if you don' realize it's there or don't know how to use it.

Understand that there are a number of news that come to thse forum with questions and simply refuse to look up information on their own. They want all their questions anwered in a thread for them, as if they are too good to search for anything on their own.
How is that good your them, or the community as a whole?
Frankly, those members don't typically stick around very long. As stated before, this hobby does require the ability to think on your feet and those individuals certainly do not.

[RedGTiVR6]

Whether I agree or not won't make any difference but I will say a lot of time people ask questions because they don't know what to search for leaving the no other option than to ask. Answer to their question might exist somewhere but people hardly ever point to exactly that. Most of the time is just a simple link to FAQ page or a post with 26 pages and possibly somewhere in the middle vague answer lies. What burns me is that couple of mods are doing this.

Most of the time, people are pointed to the FAQ for a reason. Generally, from what I've seen, they are asking very broad questions or questions that are explicitly answered in the FAQs.

My theory on it is that if someone is asking a question as general as "which power supply should I use", then chances are they need to read the rest of the FAQ because it will answer questions they don't even have yet but will, without-adoubt, have in the future.

I could think of 10,000 questions that are not covered in the 10-15 or so FAQ's.

I'm guessing you're referring to the FAQ link in the Nav bar and not the FAQ forum with this comment.

You do realize that I'm the only person who has been adding those FAQs, right? Why? Because that's the way the Advanced FAQ is setup and it's done so for good reason. I'm sorry I'm not able to manually answer all 10,000 questions in the FAQ area, I'll work on that in more detail in the coming weeks.

For someone new, that has a question about, say adjusting the volume based on the speed you are driving. What do you search for? "GPS", "Speed"??? Can you say 878 results returned, and not even close to find what you did try to search for?
(No this is not covered in the FAQ's and is also not covered in the SkinCommands.txt that comes with Road Runnner).

Questions like this are valid and should not be recieving a 'read the FAQ' comment.

The bottom line, if all of us knew everything there is to know, then there would be no forums, dictionaries, encyclopedias......... you get the point.

Why do you go to school? To learn how to learn. You don't go to school to just be preached to in a lecture. The purpose of a higher education is to learn how to think and how to learn. This applies everywhere in life, even if you're not going to persue a higher education. If you cannot figure out how to learn something or don't desire to want to spend the time to learn, perhaps you (that's a general 'you', not a specific one) need to consider an easier project/hobby.

[BiG K]

The problem with this world is, people are too self-centered. Sharing is caring people! Share your knowledge! Remember if you don't do anything good for someone else, then do NOT expect someone else to do something good for you!

People also never seem to talk to anyone these days, scared they might get rejected or ridiculed.

Also another fault with people, we assume just a small minority of people represent a larger population, I.e, n00bs asking stupid questions against n00bs asking complex questions. Even then, we should still remember, what may seem as stupid questions to some, may be perfectly logical questions to others.

I have a olive-y skin complexion, didn't shave for a few days, I sat down on a plane, next to this white gentleman, I swear to god, he almost had a heart attack looking at me, and made the whole cross thing lol
I reached down for my bag, and he shouted out "Nooooooo!"
I got out a MP3 player and some earphones, put them on and said, "gotta listen to instructions first" lmao
Honestly though, we were flying with EasyJet, a really REALLY cheap airline company, they are so cheap, the pilot asked me for petrol money! The plane would have fallen apart before we even taxied off the runway lol
I wonder what that gentleman thought of me, a low self-esteem terrorist?? lol

Yeah I know, getting a little off-topic, but hey, its better to leave someone laughing than crying.

Peace