There's some issues with mp3car IRC chat:
I think having a chat area where we can talk, discuss, bull****, swap pr0n links or even talk about our projects is a wonderful idea. The EFNet channel is certainly established. Many mp3car users, mostly old-school, hang out there.
- There are two #mp3car channels on two different IRC networks. CdRSkull setup one on Webchat.org recently and the one on EFNet has been there forever.
- The Webchat.org network sucks. It's horribly unstable, booting users off multiple times a day. Some of us use mIRC (or some other stand-alone IRC client) to stay perpetually in-channel , but it boots us off and we lose nicknames and the like.
WORST IRC NETWORK EVER! (Said in the voice of Comic Book Guy)
There are also no channel ops established in the channel, so when some dickhead starts causing trouble, there's no way anyone can do anything about it.- The EFnet channel is full of users, but most are dormant. Every so often there's a useful discussion, but it's hardly a hub of activity.
- The link to the Java IRC at the bottom of the forums page generates a 404 error.
I also know that gnomad was investigating an mp3car.com IRC server to avoid all this. I don't know what happened to that or if it's still in the works. I don't know that this is even necessary, because of the EFNet channel. Frankly, I think if we could simply have a Java client pointing at the EFNet channel, it would generate more traffic and activity there. Either way, the Java IRC link at the bottom of the forum page needs to be altered or removbed because it's a dead link.
Either way, the Webchat channel needs to be ****canned. I'm bowing out of it as of this morning because I'm sick of the bull**** with the network. The bull**** in the channel is fun at times, but it almost seems an extension of some users post-whoring. Y'all know who you are. It's not the best resource for users to go for useful information witht the trivia game and some people flooding the channel with meaningless bull**** (again, you know who you are with your red helmet!).
I don't have the answers. I'm merely pointing out the problems. I've posed one potential solution, but it may or may not be the best solution. Ideas are welcomed.
I totally agree with DarquePervert. I too have been a victim of this completely unreliable and unstable network. I have been booted off the webchat.org server at least 4 times in the last 24 hours.
IMHO one "active" channel (with "active" ops) is the best solution.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story
I'm all for setting up a dedicated IRC server on the mp3car.com server. I initially considered this as an option to replace the chatty threads (My Thread, in particular) that were loading down the server. As it turns out, there are a lot of people who don't really like IRC, and we were able to get arround the loading problem by limiting the number of messages in individual threads.
It is important to note that the two #mp3car IRC channels were created before mp3car.com incorporated and there really is no relation between either of these IRC channels and mp3car.com. These channels are "owned" by the people who created them, and mp3car.com is powerless to shut them down. We could probably go after them legally for trademark violation or something like that, but that just isn't the way this company operates.
So, while I can certainly set up an IRC server on mp3car.com, it will be a *third* server, and to an extend be a dilution of the two existing channels. On the upside, running our own IRC server would allow us to create as many different channels as we wanted. This would allow for the creation of channels dedicated for random chat, as well as to the creation of channels where non-focused users would be /kickbanned.
Given my current workload, this probably isn't something that is going to happen unless there is either (1) serious demand for it or (2) the owners of the existing channels come to me and ask me to set up a dedicated IRC server for them. I haven't been arround long enough to know all the history and backstory here, so anyone who stumbles across this message and wants to forward it off the the apropriate people (the owners of the existing IRC channels) should feel free to do so.
In a nutshell... I'm here to help, and I want to be very carefull that I don't step on any toes.
-p.
I'm going to chime in, as the people on the Webchat IRC know I have many times.
Setting up a mp3car IRC server would be stupid. Not only stupid, but redundant. Do any of you have the time, and skill required to run an IRC server? Theres more to it than you could imagine. What do you do with 2000 clones from all different IP addresses use your server as a DoS hub.
Just drop the idea of the mp3car ircd, its idiotic.
So then what?
Drop the ****ty Webchat/webmasterchat whatever IRC channel and move over to EFNet. EFNet is trusted, and reliable. No, it doesn't have services and I don't even want to hear the whining about services. It's not perfect, but no IRC network is.
Originally Posted by DarquePervert
(again, you know who you are with your red helmet!
Hello
I couldn't possibly agree with you more. I said it over and over again, and no one wants to listen. They'd rather have their useless off-topic ****.Either way, the Webchat channel needs to be ****canned. I'm bowing out of it as of this morning because I'm sick of the bull**** with the network. The bull**** in the channel is fun at times, but it almost seems an extension of some users post-whoring. Y'all know who you are. It's not the best resource for users to go for useful information witht the trivia game and some people flooding the channel with meaningless bull**** (again, you know who you are with your red helmet!
Im on the irc alot , Ive been there since the start , since a while I dont frequent it as much , because as DP said , the server drops us . At first I thought it was client side , because I was the only one experiencing the problem , now I see DP and Meddler are having the same problems.
I like the forum better so IMO another irc would be a waste.
You're talking with someone who started using IRC in 1989 and ran an IRC server for a number of years in the early '90s. ;-)
There has been a #mp3car channel on efnet for quite some time now. In fact, the link through easynews at the bottom of every forum page goes to this channel on efnet.
-p.
Fair enough.
What good does the EFNet channel do though, if one link goes to that, and the other link goes to another channel. Pick one. Standardize on it. Sanction it. USE it.
Last I checked, there were several hundered different IRC networks, and there isn't thing one we can do from keeping someone from creating #mp3car on each and every one of them. Not without getting the lawyers involved, at least. Yeah, I suppose we could put 'bots on all of them, to kick everyone and tell them to join the proper server, but talk about idiotic...
If you take the time to check, you'll notice that the two IRC servers have a largely disseparate set of users, and a completely different character. The one on efnet is largely free of the innane chatter on the other, and I don't even want to think about the nightmare that would be caused if we tried to force those two groups together into the same room.
So, like I said, if we do anything, it will be to create irc.mp3car.com and promote it as the official home of IRC for mp3car.com. But, as you said (and I agree) that does require more work than I have time for at the moment.
As an addendum, I suppose I should make the link to "IRC (Java)" go away. Perhaps I should replace it with a link to a web page with a java client on our local server that points to #mp3car on efnet. But I'm not so sure I want to inflict that on the efnet channel. After all, I'm old enough to remember what happened to Usenet when people started writing news reading software that could be used by idiots...
Imma sleep on it and decide what to do tomorrow.
-p.
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