How Long Until Software Dev Forum Closes ?

**Gobby** · 01-18-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Enforcer

Thinking . . . . . . .

Does it hurt Enforcer??? You're doing a hell of a lot of it!

**ACHIEVER** · 01-18-2006, 05:47 PM

Slippery slope.
That is why people are talking about what ifs. Certain things said, imply other things, not yet said or done.
It's reading between the lines, based on what we do know.

And comments about forum competition do nothing but hurt your cause and credibility, IMHO.

It's clear that streetdeck would never have gone anywhere without the existence of these forums. If it weren't advertised here, then where? We all understand the commercial nature of the store, and for the most part accept it as it's what pays for this forum. But censorship has been in place at least as long as I've been here. If it's deemed to hurt Mp3 sales, it usually doesn't last too long. Anyone remember trying to help a newbie on a budget, and directing him/her to logicsupply? (Or L-o-g-i-c-s-u-p-p-l-y as it was usually typed, to get past the filter) How about the motorized screens? FM radio solution? Alot of people have had to tip-toe around already. Is it really that far fetched to believe that competing freeware may no longer be welcome here? Or perhaps only the ones deemed non threatening.
0l33l
I think tipastar and ElKeeed raise some very interesting points. Along with some others not yet mentioned here. To reiterate, I see this as a very slippery slope, a few false steps is all it would take, and mp3car could lose a lot. I don't think any of us want to see that happen.

**ccsnet** · 01-19-2006, 04:46 AM

GodofCPU.... a couple of points...

Hmmm, conflict of interest, ccsnet, why are you a member of mp3car and making posts while advertising for a directly competing forum? In any case, we still love and miss you ccsnet and wish you would spend more of your time with us

Conflict no... I have always gone on record saying that DC was the local community where as MP3car was the international one.... its for this reason I am concerned as I value its contribution.

Missed me... where have I been ? I think you find I post pretty regular in My Thred, Roadrunner, and Freedrive.b

StreetDeck is actually trying to be a separate entity from Mp3car and as time goes on, the two ventures will become more and more separate

Why has it got its own section then and not part of the Front end area ?

How are we pushing our own products?

As above as an example...

We also talk to the other developers and would love to have them work with StreetDeck and pay them for thier time or find other ways of working together that can be mutually beneficial

That sounds good but you also said in another post...

There will be a Developer Edition released soon for mp3car users though without hardware. We have not established pricing or requirements for it, but it will be marketed only to developers. This means no support for platform specific issues and limited distribution.

So you'll charge them but pay them at the same time ? ( Sorry OT )

I know alot of you see the commercialization of car computers as taking something away from the eliteness of it

Sorry - disagree there .... its like any thing else its just a git to do.

Where did you get the idea there is no support?

Well if this is the case I suggest you look at the wording on the MP3car shop page where the sentence starts...

The software has no warranty...

... how ever I have seen a statment which I cant find now which did say the was currently no support for any thing else bar the hardware because it was beta.

I know I wouldn't want to give up all my free time to support a free product years after its release and still have to work a day job to pay the bills

I dont think people do expect this... and thats the chance you take

Obviously, we do have a commercial interest. There is money to be made from computers in cars and its only a matter of time before a very large corporation gets involved

Errr.. MS and Fiat.... 6 months or so ago...

We at mp3car understand the value of open and uncensored forums

So how come I and others have had mails re removing my sig links and other times links to Digital-car.co.uk ? ( See an example attached mail )

we do put alot of thought into how not to pollute the forums with the ways we make money

Errr... keywords... ie Via ?

As to who works for mp3car, I think most of us already do now have icons. I just recently became an employee under StreetDeck.com and switch my icon when I did. I use to be just a regular mp3car user and then supplier to mp3car and have been working in some way or other with the founders for some time. We are in a transition phase of who works for what now, but we will try and get more appopriate labels as we figure this out ourselves.

That would be helpfull - FLAC does not really help as any one can change an Avatar... I'm sure the mods can do some thing... they did for me.

I do have to agree with tipastar though, I give my good ideas ( when I have them ) to non commercial software because its for the good of the community and not that some one will profit, again this is what I mean by conflict.

IMHO,

Seperate the commercial stuff out, treat it just the same.... if you want to advertise then do that... there is a big space for adverts at the top of this forum which I am sure no one will object to ( in the same way the shop is seprate ). What I do feel is wrong is making it part of this forum unless you want it to loose its indipenance and get a reputation of been a place where you are bombarded by MP3car products.. ( and yes I relise you've got to make money but think how you feel when a door to door sales man calls at your front door... )

Let me just re stress - I say all of this out of concern for this community - MP3car has its place in the international releme, I concerned that your commercial ventures ( which I welcome ) are going to compramise this forums reputation due to massive confilcts of intrest and commercial profit and simpley wish to point this out now to help. I do support MP3car selling eqipment and sevices and I do support the forum, I simpley think they should be treated sepratly and equally as to any thing else.

Remember ... comercially MP3car is a brand and not the forum.

Terran

----- Forwarded message from -----
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:42:56 +0000
From:
Reply-To:
Subject: RE: Link to UK Forum
To: "Robert D. Wray" <rwray@mp3car.com>

Robert,

Ok before I move on I wish to say I still feel Mp3car is not appriatly placed
for addressing international needs as well as EU and more... if you did raise a
UK section what other areas woudl you support - there are many I can think of.

Now let me address some of the points in your email -

"I understand your points. I guess sometimes we are slow about picking up on
things. - 18 Months plus ?"
Thats slow - and I am aware of others will you be contacting them ? If so what
is the scope ? There are many local forums and sites that are linked to from
peoples sigs ?

"My main concern is the duplication of a lot of technical data, diluting the
overall community, and miscommunication about European meets"
AMIEE is based in the UK for example - how dulited do you think it will be on DC
- further more DC is for UK members not EU ( this bit has changed a little since writing ) so there will be no dilution of that
infomation - that does not say that DC does not welecome all members and in
fact there are regular members from all over inc a couple of your mods.

"I believe that in order to create more open standards in OEM vehicle production
we should work together on a unified front." - That may be but DC is about a
local group of people chatting and helping each other... it has no other real
aims and certainly is not commercial in the same way Mp3car is... if any thing
DC has a more relaxed enviroment and a diffrent set of goals which again
enhanced Mp3cars more international status. Further more links to Mp3car are
not stopped on that basis.

"Perhaps I can talk to ziplock about making you a moderator of a UK section.
Would that be something that would interest you?"
I would have to say no for a number of reasons...

1) I dont belive it is the right place nor would the same needs that DC gives be
served
2) I was a former mod ( I am again while I perform its current upgrade project ) on Dc and therefore a conflict of intrest would occur -
the reason I am not now is for personal reasons as well as more indpendant
reasons for when I am writing... which I would be happy to do for your selves
for the same nominal fee I revceive else where.
3) I have to say I do not belive that you would have offered me this possible
position if we had not had this convo

Once again - please advise me as to what you need me to do...

Terran

Quoting "Robert D. Wray" <rwray@mp3car.com>:

> I understand your points. I guess sometimes we are slow about picking
> up on things.
>
> My main concern is the duplication of a lot of technical data, diluting
> the overall community, and miscommunication about European meets. I
> believe that in order to create more open standards in OEM vehicle
> production we should work together on a unified front. Perhaps I can
> talk to ziplock about making you a moderator of a UK section. Would
> that be something that would interest you?
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:
>
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:43 PM
> To: Robert D. Wray
> Subject: Re: Link to UK Forum
>
> Ok - so considering its been there for over 18 months what has changed ?
> The
> very fact in my numerous interviews and articles that I have written I
> have
> always publised Mp3car been the 'International' site and DC been the Uk
> local> one I felt was correct - in the same vain that is why I placed that link
> there
> for the UK people.
>
> I know I am not the only one with such links and not just to DC so are
> you going
> to enforce the same rule with them ?
>
> If you still wish me to remove it please let me know how ever don't
> expect the
> same amount of publicity I give now to be given as freely as before...
> and if
> you don't belive me see my site you will see where I have appeared.
>
> Terran
>
> ( Another free publicity example -
> http://www.vvoc.com/forum/showpost.p...8&postcount=13 )
>
> Quoting "Robert D. Wray" <rwray@mp3car.com>:
>
> > Would you kindly remove the link to the UK forum from your signature?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > -Rob

**ccsnet** · 01-19-2006, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gobby

Does it hurt Enforcer??? You're doing a hell of a lot of it!

Its age.... but I spose like you he is a developer and has to consider what has been said on all sides..

Terran

**Enforcer** · 01-19-2006, 04:57 AM

Thinking . . . . . .

**ElKeeed** · 01-19-2006, 08:35 AM

I found mp3car and digital car through the publicity that ccsnet and stevieg have done and I'm sure that in the UK at least they are bringing many more people into the mp3car forums than a link in their sig would take out.