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Originally Posted by rcdash
I know this is OT, but..
I'm curious rcdash, have you even tried any other frontend? Because I've browsed you posts and see no indication that you've ever used anything besides streetdeck. That makes me question just how you can make the comments you do and still expect anyone to consider you credible?
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The post by your self that I was refering too does seem to have disapeared and been replaced by a better one by Fiberoptic. Indeed if this has been another 'fo-par' like the one Enforcer pointed out the other day to you then perhaps as I said you should let others do key anoucments in future. The fact the Fibers statment cleary says that contributers will get some thing in return rather than been charged is very welcome from my point of view.....
I also remeber pointing out the case of PocketGPS.co.uk who have started charging for their speed cam data - as such simular comments where made and they as well changed their stance. So perhaps after all the comments I made where vaild after all in respect of what was actually posted origonally.
... no probelms with Betas... but the people who are going to buy this I would not expect to be of a technical level of my self and others... hence I thought offering a beta ( in small letters at the bottom admitadly ) with out any support I thought was not the best idea for SD... I would have liked to see comments like 'best endevours' really.
In all my posts specifically about SD I was trying to offer constructive comments... in all my posts about the conflict with the forum I was concerned for the community ... not the fact that you have lauched SD... in fact more about that in a sec.
RCdash - where do I start ? I think you will find that most of what your saying really is from an un-informed point of view - Out of your 20 posts 18 are in SD, 2 else where. Most of those here ( including my self ) have spent a lot of time contributing to this community, helping others when we can, producing software, skins, patches and new inovations.... in short we have given a lot to mp3cars community so please don't address us as skeptics, open source fantics or any thing else.
For established products and not when people are been asked to contribute.... still the point has been adressed above and no longer relevant.
I can see you have fully researched this statment... not. There are many competitors out there in the software market, most offer standard hardware and very few offer custom hardware - again this re-enforces my opening statment to you on this post. I cant be bothed listing them here butand
does work very well when you use them.
If you had botherd to read this whole thred ( which I belive you havent other wise you would have said that ) you would see it is about the conflict of the forum and MP3cars commercial concerns.... let me see if I can demonstrate this with some thing more familer.
Say Microsoft had a free general PC forum called Microsoft.com before Windows came along - it was open to the public to the point Steve Jobs ( or what ever he's called ) even had his own sub Apple forum. In this forum many people including some from the UNIX clan have contrabuted greatly to the forum as many of us here have - this helps build it in to a community.
Then Bill decides to launch a product called Windows and use the traffic and user base that has been created as a result of this community - especially as Windows.com is so well known now. Nothing wrong with it, brill software ( yeh ok this is theory before any one says owt lol ) but ( and this is the key point ) does it make commercial sense to let Steve Jobs stay where he is or potentially not moderate posts that may be derogertay or show that Steves software is better in certain areas ? How would he feel about this move ? What about the ideas he created and contributed to the community - are they owned by him or Windows.com just because he posted them here ( see mp3car.com rules for this part I am refering too ie they own the post ... does this mean they own the idea now ? )... what about all those people who contributed to the community and Steves software ? What if say BSD want to come to the forum, theyd be put off also stunting the forums growth.
So once again - I will restate - this is not about the SD system this is about the community - one that my self and others have helped build ... so - please be a little more informed before you 'comment' on things you cant possibly 'comment' on.
Terran
PS And just to respond to your comment in the other thred that a number of us are just moaning cos we havnt got a free copy - if you still belive that now after reading the above you really are missing the point - a point that can only be missed by some one who does not contribute.
PPS Incidentally I personally would like to see SD stay, how ever it should be treated indipenadntly ( no reason you cant use the big space at the top of the forum to advertise it though ) and I would also like to see an indipendant moderation team as well.... this way the community stays and there is no possiblity of any conflicts and confidence will return... SD still gets to use the traffic and user base - all this is subject to debate.....
This quote really shows that you don't get it. Someone may own mp3car.com but they don't own the community that post here. I haven't contributed much but as a part of this community I feel that I 'own' a small piece of it and wouldn't like to see it sold out. There are many that have contributed a great deal to this community and in several cases a lot more than the people who run the site, I'm sure they wouldn't like to see it either.
I am not saying that they have sold anyone out yet but greed can change people and I think its good to have this discussion to keep them honest and nip any problem in the bud before it becomes a big problem that could bring the community down.
Also, its not a case of being a fanatic or accusing anyone of any wrong doing, they may not have even considered that people might be worried about this sort of thing.
Yes, I have tried 4. RoadRunner was the front end that I settled on and I thought it was very well done. The only big drawback was I had to switch back and forth between TimeTrax and that. My posts have been over at g35driver.com - you can check them out there. All the pics of my system even show RoadRunner on it.
I must admit it has been StreetDeck that drew me to this site - never really appreciated that you guys had this great resource out here till I saw links from g35driver over to here to some very informative posts...
*edit*
Oh and by the way, I don't have to expect anyone to consider me credible. You know there is life on the Internet beyond mp3car.com - where, you know, I may have made a post or two.
Or you can just consider me "incredible"!
ok ok
Hmmm, ok thanks for the long reply. I am beginning to see where you're coming from. Sorry for "not getting it" - it basically comes down to not having the same perspective (coming into these forums "new" made it very difficult to understand where the hostility was coming from). You guys have come to call this forum your own community - and that's great - I'm not knocking that.The post by your self that I was refering too does seem to have disapeared and been replaced by a better one by Fiberoptic. Indeed if this has been another 'fo-par' like the one Enforcer pointed out the other day to you then perhaps as I said you should let others do key anoucments in future. The fact the Fibers statment cleary says that contributers will get some thing in return rather than been charged is very welcome from my point of view.....
I also remeber pointing out the case of PocketGPS.co.uk who have started charging for their speed cam data - as such simular comments where made and they as well changed their stance. So perhaps after all the comments I made where vaild after all in respect of what was actually posted origonally.
... no probelms with Betas... but the people who are going to buy this I would not expect to be of a technical level of my self and others... hence I thought offering a beta ( in small letters at the bottom admitadly ) with out any support I thought was not the best idea for SD... I would have liked to see comments like 'best endevours' really.
In all my posts specifically about SD I was trying to offer constructive comments... in all my posts about the conflict with the forum I was concerned for the community ... not the fact that you have lauched SD... in fact more about that in a sec.
RCdash - where do I start ? I think you will find that most of what your saying really is from an un-informed point of view - Out of your 20 posts 18 are in SD, 2 else where. Most of those here ( including my self ) have spent a lot of time contributing to this community, helping others when we can, producing software, skins, patches and new inovations.... in short we have given a lot to mp3cars community so please don't address us as skeptics, open source fantics or any thing else.
For established products and not when people are been asked to contribute.... still the point has been adressed above and no longer relevant.
I can see you have fully researched this statment... not. There are many competitors out there in the software market, most offer standard hardware and very few offer custom hardware - again this re-enforces my opening statment to you on this post. I cant be bothed listing them here but
If you had botherd to read this whole thred ( which I belive you havent other wise you would have said that ) you would see it is about the conflict of the forum and MP3cars commercial concerns.... let me see if I can demonstrate this with some thing more familer.
Say Microsoft had a free general PC forum called Microsoft.com before Windows came along - it was open to the public to the point Steve Jobs ( or what ever he's called ) even had his own sub Apple forum. In this forum many people including some from the UNIX clan have contrabuted greatly to the forum as many of us here have - this helps build it in to a community.
Then Bill decides to launch a product called Windows and use the traffic and user base that has been created as a result of this community - especially as Windows.com is so well known now. Nothing wrong with it, brill software ( yeh ok this is theory before any one says owt lol ) but ( and this is the key point ) does it make commercial sense to let Steve Jobs stay where he is or potentially not moderate posts that may be derogertay or show that Steves software is better in certain areas ? How would he feel about this move ? What about the ideas he created and contributed to the community - are they owned by him or Windows.com just because he posted them here ( see mp3car.com rules for this part I am refering too ie they own the post ... does this mean they own the idea now ? )... what about all those people who contributed to the community and Steves software ? What if say BSD want to come to the forum, theyd be put off also stunting the forums growth.
So once again - I will restate - this is not about the SD system this is about the community - one that my self and others have helped build ... so - please be a little more informed before you 'comment' on things you cant possibly 'comment' on.
Terran
PS And just to respond to your comment in the other thred that a number of us are just moaning cos we havnt got a free copy - if you still belive that now after reading the above you really are missing the point - a point that can only be missed by some one who does not contribute.
PPS Incidentally I personally would like to see SD stay, how ever it should be treated indipenadntly ( no reason you cant use the big space at the top of the forum to advertise it though ) and I would also like to see an indipendant moderation team as well.... this way the community stays and there is no possiblity of any conflicts and confidence will return... SD still gets to use the traffic and user base - all this is subject to debate.....
That's just how it appears from an "outsider"... Maybe some of you ought to think about that (whether it's a justified assessment or not). And if this is an open community, I should be able to call it like I see it...in short we have given a lot to mp3cars community so please don't address us as skeptics, open source fantics or any thing else
(I do appreciate your other points though!)
ok, starting to get it - sorry for jumping to conclusions... It still seems "wrong" though to try to keep someone from succeeding with an attempt to commercialize a product. I mean, these guys have gone the extra yard - put out a lot of effort - it's a big step to go from "hobby" to "commercial". Where's the appreciation for that?
a) the $2k each new user pays ( thats why its a business - you dont get thanks you get money ) and b) See my prev posts I am sure I welcome SD more than once.
Terran
I didn't mean you in particular - you actually seem pretty level-headed.I am sure I welcome SD more than once.
You know there are two sides to every argument. You guys keep saying I'm not getting it. You keep saying you contributed and you want/deserve something back. I have not been part of the mp3car community but I contribute to other forums because I enjoy it. Not because I expect something back. Anyway I'll leave you guys in peace...
Re: In reading these pages SOMEWHERE I saw someone requesting a wiki / alternate forum. A decent sized vBulletin forum like this one only costs around $1000 USD per year to host. I'll set you guys up with something all your own or a wiki or whatever if you give me cash.
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