View Poll Results: Should we use heatware here at Mp3car?

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  • Yes, heatware is a widely accepted form of feedback

    14 42.42%
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    6 18.18%
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Thread: Heatware for Mp3car Classifieds

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    Unregistered User ODYSSEY's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnomad
    Frodo, like all the rest of the moderators here, works on a volunteer basis. Please don't ever give any of them a hard time over anything they didn't do. And besides, I believe this occured while he was in the process of moving, and all his computer gear was packed away in boxes.
    I took Kev's post to mean Frodo just disregarded the situation, instead of forwarding to an actual mp3car.com staffer. I could be totally wrong about it, as I do not know the whole story. It might make it better if members knew which mp3car.com staff member to contact in these situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnomad
    The account was locked, and I provided the buyer with the IP address the scammer accessed the forums from, but other than that, what can we really do?
    Guess I am a little confused. If his account wan locked, how is he able to post again?

    Quote Originally Posted by gnomad
    There would be nothing at all to stop this person from creating a new account here and scamming someone else. The user in question wasn't using a static IP address, so the only thing we could to was ban every user from that person's ISP.
    Understood and agreed. See below.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnomad
    While I haven't addressed it directly, liability is actually one of the reasons why I am against installing any ratings software unless it has reasonable restraints against abuse. So far, I have yet to see any packages that are not trivial to abuse in such a way that a scammer can easily provide a false sense of security to a potential purchaser. While I don't think this would be a liability in legal terms, it does represent a liability in ethical terms.
    Said this earlier. No matter what system is put into place, someone will always try to scam/troll somebody. It is just a reality of life. The best defense is some common sense.

    I already know people will complain about this suggestion because of the fees, but it might just be better for people to sell their stuff on eBay and post a link in the classified section. At least eBay will provide a feedback system and a sort of safety net, but even eBay has its problems with scammers. At least eBay tries to verify sellers, but honestly that would be pointless for mp3car.com to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnomad
    Please remember, people, mp3car.com has no monopoly on providing car computing services on the interweb. Anyone who wants to fill a niche that we are missing if free to do so. If someone wants to build a classifieds system for carpc hardware using Heatware, they would certainly get no complaint from me. But realistically, and practically, it makes a whole lot more sense for people who want to establish themselves as reliable sellers to sell on eBay, and for buyers who want a realistic level of protection to search on eBay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODYSSEY
    Said this earlier. No matter what system is put into place, someone will always try to scam/troll somebody. It is just a reality of life. The best defense is some common sense.
    Ayup. Common sense says that anyone purchasing something from someone on the forums should search for past posts from that user to see if they are a part of "the community" as members of the community are not likely to be scammers. That is a *far* more useful system than anything like heatware, *far* less likely to be abused, and better for the community as a whole because it encourages sellers to participate in the community rather than to simply use the forms as a means to sell their wares.

    Quote Originally Posted by ODYSSEY
    I already know people will complain about this suggestion because of the fees, but it might just be better for people to sell their stuff on eBay and post a link in the classified section. At least eBay will provide a feedback system and a sort of safety net, but even eBay has its problems with scammers. At least eBay tries to verify sellers, but honestly that would be pointless for mp3car.com to do.
    And please don't forget: This is a forum to bring members of the community together for comminucation. If people want to advertise, buy, and sell stuff, that's fine, but that is *not* the focus of these forums. The reality of the situation is that I have six months worth of work that is more important than implementing a ratings system. I'm not inclined to spend any time implementing a system that is essentially worthless. I'm more than willing to install a rating system if (1) it has value and (2) doesn't take more than a few hours to install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODYSSEY
    That has to be doable since Boris can not see the off topic section.
    Are you sure of that? ever seen the guy called rev2? He's boris. his second account. and he trolls around in off tpopic/classifieds, and all those places he has been banned for on his other account... so don't think he can't... the bastard...

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    OK, I'm getting the feeling that no one here knows how Heatware.com works. It has nothing to do with installing software packages on the forum. And it already works and has been working with mp3car.com. It's simply a way for traders to record and keep evaluations or references. One trader supplies a link to his heatware account (containing feedback from other traders) to another. If the deal goes bad, the trader goes back to this account and leaves negative feedback.

    When they talk about "adding" mp3car.com, they only mean that it will be placed in the list of popular trading forums, so when writing an eval, users can pick "mp3car.com" instead of "other".

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    eBay provides protection...ish.

    paypal provides the protection. use some common sense, dont send a check to someone. use a third party that will protect you. I had a legit buisness try and scam me with my gps device. it was broken I mailed it back, they never picked it up at the post office. Document stuff. Paypal refunded me in full.

    Yes we could add ratings, but that doenst stop the scammers.

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