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    Quote Originally Posted by DAE51D View Post
    First let's touch on some basics. A 40GB drive is around $40 it seems and a 100GB is only $65. 160GB is just over $100 and finally a monster 200GB is about $180.

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    MP3Car would not (nor would they be expected to) sell you a drive at cost. You would have to assume some sort of markup + time.

    That being said, I would also be willing to pay for materials + markup + install time to get a bigger hard drive. Maybe not 160GB, but at least to double it to 80GB.

    No, I don't have THAT many MP3's, but something futureproof and piece of mind would be worth the extra cash IMO.

    Mine is already pre-ordered though, whats done is done i suppose. Maybe down the road they will offer an "Send us your G4 for an upgrade" service for us early adopters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voidunknown View Post
    MP3Car would not (nor would they be expected to) sell you a drive at cost. You would have to assume some sort of markup + time.
    And that's perfectly fine. tack on $30 or $50. I don't give a **** about that. That's like 1/2 my bartab. I *care* that I'm stuck with a measly 40GB drive and no way to _legally_ upgrade it without violating warranties and effectively screwing myself from any future support. It seems common sense to offer a larger drive if it's a few dollars more.

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    I read somewhere that these are automotive grade hard drives. Is this true? What is the model number of the drives shipped with these?

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    The G4 GPS is not USB, it's a connector on the back of the G4.

    Regarding offering a new HDD. Please understand that this would also require making an entirely new image for every size drive that is to be sold. You must consider this in the cost.

    This is not something that will be as simple as "just swap the drive". Also, as Chuck has mentioned elsewhere: Infill G4 thoughts and comments

    Quote Originally Posted by god_of_cpu
    I understand how commoditized hard drives are. Newegg can sell them at just barely breaking even because they are garunteed to sell out of thier stock, make money on the other stuff your buying, shipping, or some other thing that gets them a couple points on the things they sell millions of. We are not NewEgg we are not selling a barebones hard drive and the Infill is built from parts that will survive in the automotive environment.

    With the G4, you are buying a high end head unit that gets you something very few other people in the world have. To get an upgraded hard drive, we have to either order a ton with an upgraded hard drive or pay someone to take it apart and put it back together. In either case, it no longer becomes something we can do anywhere close to $30. If your looking for the cheapest carputer you can install, its not the G4. The G4 gives you a very nice product that installs very simply and just works. This comes at a price though. We initially wanted to get them without ram or a hard drive and offer both those things as options, after considering the difficulty in adding them after they were assembed, it wasn't something we could do for a reasonable price.

    The same problems you have and look at not being fun are the same ones we have. This is why it can't be a $30 option.
    Now, I know that some of you have mentioned that the added cost is not an issue. I just want to be sure that it is understood that this is not something that is as eas as it may seem.
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    Without beating this to death, cost isn't an issue for us making all the noise I suspect. Charge me $100 or $200 or if you must $300 for the 160GB drive/labor/image/whatever. I just want the _option_ and the _warranty_

    Honestly, I think if they were to just go with the bigger drive to begin with, that would solve many problems/complaints. I can't imagine someone actually wanting a smaller drive. That also solves the "new image" issue, it brings the price overall down, as the drive is just bigger but they use the same manufacturer, etc.

    Even if this is a labor thing and they have to buy the G4s with a 40GB and manually put in the 160's, it's not like mp3car.com is selling thousands of these things. Maybe not even hundreds of them (at $2G a pop). ****, I bet you can get an intern to swap out drives all day for $10/hour. Sure beats flippin' burgers. ;-p

    I haven't read a compelling reason why 40GB is the standard offered? Clearly the units can be purchased sans drive/hardware from Infill to a distributor, and clearly mp3car.com is getting someone to load them with 40Gigers, so just change the order. How hard can that be?

    I work for a NAC company and we sell to enterprises a 1U hardware box. We sell a few at a time b/c of the high price. If a customer wanted a bigger drive, then we'd absolutely do it b/c in effect these are all "custom" orders. This scenario is not that far from the G4 issue here. mp3car.com still has to bundle up all the peripherals I order. They new "image" issue I can't see is a big deal. I use "Ghost" all the time, and it will automatically resize partitions when you ghost from one drive to another. Worst case the company has two offerings (40 and 160) and therefore two images they clone from. Again, this isn't rocket science, it's just manufacturing and on a very small scale at that...

    There's a saying I'm reminded of... "The customer is always right". and "supply and demand". Seems that the customer is demanding something that will drive more sales, yet mp3car.com is resisting to supply...

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    No - there is a difference between resistance and trying to be smart about market research.

    Consider this: with the number of different sized drives on the market, we would have to basically sit and wait for an order to come through, put the HDD in the G4, build an image for that particular drive, install it, etc.

    This will add to the cost significantly. If we raise the cost (on an already expensive product), we risk loosing sales.

    All we're trying to do is ensure that something like this is throughly thought through, understood, researched, and had the numbers crunched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    No - there is a difference between resistance and trying to be smart about market research.

    Consider this: with the number of different sized drives on the market, we would have to basically sit and wait for an order to come through, put the HDD in the G4, build an image for that particular drive, install it, etc.

    This will add to the cost significantly. If we raise the cost (on an already expensive product), we risk loosing sales.

    All we're trying to do is ensure that something like this is throughly thought through, understood, researched, and had the numbers crunched.
    I actually commend you guys for this. I don't think people understand the advantage of standardization. Multiple models or additional options only means additional things you will need to support.

    For a smaller company like yours, I just think you're right in creating a product that meets the needs of your core customer - the average car audio/video enthusiast. Guys, we need to move on. This product wasn't designed for the mass of people on this board: It is not a one-off enthusiast product. It is designed for mass appeal. Look at any other aftermarket or OEM navigation that has a built-in hdd. The most advanced units max out at 30gb.

    These guys have done their market research. If you're not interested, move on or go purchase a bare-bones unit from cartft

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAE51D View Post
    And that's perfectly fine. tack on $30 or $50. I don't give a **** about that. That's like 1/2 my bartab. I *care* that I'm stuck with a measly 40GB drive and no way to _legally_ upgrade it without violating warranties and effectively screwing myself from any future support. It seems common sense to offer a larger drive if it's a few dollars more.
    Using the numbers you've tossed out (which may or may not be accurate), you'd be looking at doubling the HDD cost just to get it put into the G4.

    Now maybe you've got an assload of disposable income to squander on an overpriced HDD installation, but most people don't.
    Frankly, I think paying twice what a HDD goes for on the market is stupid. I can understand why people would do so if they have no knowledge of how to install.
    I can also see someone paying to have one installed in a unit like the G4, but it's also not in mp3car.com's best interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by DAE51D View Post
    Without beating this to death, cost isn't an issue for us making all the noise I suspect. Charge me $100 or $200 or if you must $300 for the 160GB drive/labor/image/whatever. I just want the _option_ and the _warranty_
    While it may not be an issue to you, I'm sure others would think differently. I suggest not trying to speak for everyone else who shares your opinion. They can certainly speak for themselves.

    Honestly, I think if they were to just go with the bigger drive to begin with, that would solve many problems/complaints. I can't imagine someone actually wanting a smaller drive. That also solves the "new image" issue, it brings the price overall down, as the drive is just bigger but they use the same manufacturer, etc.
    Now this is a somewhat sensible solution. However, I believe the 40GB drives are being installed at the factory in Korea.
    I agree that a larger drive as standard in the G4 is an overall better idea. I don't know the logic or rationale behind the 40GB HDD, as I wasn't involved in the business negotiations.
    My original thought was that 80GB would be a much better choice, as those drives present a good price/performance ratio in my eyes.


    There's a saying I'm reminded of... "The customer is always right". and "supply and demand". Seems that the customer is demanding something that will drive more sales, yet mp3car.com is resisting to supply...
    Having worked for retailers for the past six years, I know that this is 100% bull****. Anyone who has worked in retail at any level knows how false that saying is, too.
    The customer is not always right. However, retailers do everything in their power to keep customers believing that they are right.

    At some point, difficult customers that can never be pleased have to be dealt with in one of two ways: cut them off or just deal with their bull****.
    Both options have risks. Cutting them off could mean a decline in new customers due to the ******* badmouthing your retail establishment. The other means you're going to take a hit every time the ******* wants an exchange or return or whatever, meaning you raise prices for all customers.

    It's a double-edged sword.

    Personally, as a business owner, I would much rather cut off customers that treat me, my staff or my business like ****. After all, retailers provide a service to the community as much as the customers keep the retailer's business afloat by shopping there.
    Remember that retailers are in business to make money. They aren't there to cater to every idiot that has cash-on-hand.
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    I would say if you don't like the specs then don't buy it. (period) As a consumer this is your most powerful tool. (period)

    The one constant in technology is change I'm sure if the G4 is reasonably successful you will see a multitude of new devices in the not too distant future. I have some friends in PCEC (The Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company) and there has been rumblings for quite some time about the viability of a car computer. If PCEC starts seeing a market develop you can be certain they will start building devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
    While it may not be an issue to you, I'm sure others would think differently. I suggest not trying to speak for everyone else who shares your opinion. They can certainly speak for themselves.
    If you're spending $2000 on a G4, YOU have the money. With the $500 off coupon, and if they charge $300 for a different HD (worst case), then you're still $200 under what you would normally be paying had they not offered the coupon!

    Ironic you tell me not to speak for everyone, but you did the same thing below. ;-)

    Quote Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
    Now maybe you've got an assload of disposable income to squander on an overpriced HDD installation, but most people don't. Frankly, I think paying twice what a HDD goes for on the market is stupid. I can understand why people would do so if they have no knowledge of how to install.
    I tend to agree, but if that's what I must do to get a bigger sanctioned HD and still retain a warranty (plus it saves me the time and aggravation of doing it myself), then so be it.

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