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    Nissan Titan Q and Req's

    So I have been wanting a carputer for a long time but not had the money to build one. If I do it I want to do it right. I have allot of space under my seats but not quite enough for a full size PC. I have been searching the forums and found the following posts which are a motivation.

    2004 Nissan Titan LE install

    Background:
    I have built many computers, never bought a pre-made computer except when I was 12. 486 DX
    Current PC is Liquid Cooled / OC'sed Opteron 464 with 2x120 in stacker case, so yea I know PC's inside and out.

    Truck currently has DLS Iridium Comps TC1000's Subs Roughly 1400 RMS lots of deadening and foam, Kinetic battery.

    I have no idea when it comes to carputers....

    Seems I can easily do 2 7"screens in my truck. One in the Nav Bezel and one in the double din (I already removed the factory radio and an extensive stereo install that involved removing the entire interior).

    Requirements:
    -Premium Sound, I want sound equal to what I'm getting with my Eclipse CD5444 Head unit. Meaning High Voltage Pre-outs if possible, Time Alignment, EQ's and Crossover as well as a separate adjustable sub output.
    -AM/Fm Radio
    -WiFi (connect to network to sync music collection) Windows updates etc..
    -400-500 GB Hard drive (min 100 GB)
    -Keep My Integrated Steering wheel controls
    -Backup Camera / Front recording Cam is possible
    -Bluetooth (would be cool if I could connect to my phone and play music off it I have a Plantronics for my phone needs but speakerphone system would be nice too
    - Video Player
    - USB (plug in thumb drive)
    - 12V PSU

    Extras:
    -TV
    - Second Screen (non touch) (requires Purchasing Nav Bezel)
    - Anything else
    - Windows XP OS

    Budget: $1500 max.

    PC can be mounted under passenger seat, lots of space there (Can see in linked post)

    Concerns:
    - lack of on the fly adjustments mute / volume level sub level etc or harder to access controls if I cannot use steering wheel controls.
    - Sound Quality: Will it be as good as my HU?
    - no rear speaker amplification (rear speakers are hooked to HU only no amps but I can buy a small amp for them so not that big of an issue)


    So is this going to be possible or should I just give up now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justintoxicated View Post
    So is this going to be possible or should I just give up now?
    Yup. It's possible.

    Requirements:
    -Premium Sound, I want sound equal to what I'm getting with my Eclipse CD5444 Head unit. Meaning High Voltage Pre-outs if possible, Time Alignment, EQ's and Crossover as well as a separate adjustable sub output.
    I suggest getting an external EQ for analog or a DAC for digital, the latter option being preferrable.
    -AM/Fm Radio
    This is going to be the hardest to pull off, with any quality. Although if you're out for sound quality, why bother with radio at all?
    -Keep My Integrated Steering wheel controls
    This can be done. Depending on the system in your Titan, it might be easy. It might not be easy. Some research will be necessary, at the very least.
    -Bluetooth (would be cool if I could connect to my phone and play music off it I have a Plantronics for my phone needs but speakerphone system would be nice too
    Speakerphone is very possible. I don't know about playing music from your phone as an ecternal storage device, though.

    Yeah, all the rest is pretty standard stuff for us, really. You should be able to get most of what you want from your system. I don't know how close it will be to the $1500 budget when you bring in specialized hardare and the like.
    Figure with my setup (not complete yet), I've got nearly $2000 invested in my setup, but I also replaced my speakers, added amps and an EQ, etc. Nothing as high-end as your setup, but still. The PC itself was bought used/from eBay in pieces/parts, so I was able to get the whole PC part of it for well under $500.

    - Windows XP OS
    I wouldn't consider this an "extra".
    But it's a good OS choice, as all the touchscreen-friendly frontends are designed for XP. And Vista is pointless int he car as of now...

    PC can be mounted under passenger seat, lots of space there (Can see in linked post)
    Check this: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/faq-...ath-seats.html
    It's food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
    Yup. It's possible.


    I suggest getting an external EQ for analog or a DAC for digital, the latter option being preferrable.

    This is going to be the hardest to pull off, with any quality. Although if you're out for sound quality, why bother with radio at all?

    This can be done. Depending on the system in your Titan, it might be easy. It might not be easy. Some research will be necessary, at the very least.

    Speakerphone is very possible. I don't know about playing music from your phone as an ecternal storage device, though.

    Yeah, all the rest is pretty standard stuff for us, really. You should be able to get most of what you want from your system. I don't know how close it will be to the $1500 budget when you bring in specialized hardare and the like.
    Figure with my setup (not complete yet), I've got nearly $2000 invested in my setup, but I also replaced my speakers, added amps and an EQ, etc. Nothing as high-end as your setup, but still. The PC itself was bought used/from eBay in pieces/parts, so I was able to get the whole PC part of it for well under $500.


    I wouldn't consider this an "extra".
    But it's a good OS choice, as all the touchscreen-friendly frontends are designed for XP. And Vista is pointless int he car as of now...


    Check this: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/faq-...ath-seats.html
    It's food for thought.

    Welcome to our madness!
    Ha I was planning to either ground to the seat bolt or my distro block (grounded to rear seat bolt) I cleaned off the paint and I feel it is a decent ground since the bolt is connected right into the frame...Where else would I ground to anyways hah!

    As far as mounting under the seats I really think that is the best place for it as I don't have a "trunk" Also I had my amps under there for a while untill I made a rack and installed them on the rear wall. Theres a good deal of space under the seat and I have a center console I can lift up as well to tuck the wires in, or a side channel to fit a new more cables (Already stuffed full of 1/0 ga). You would not be able to see the unit because my seats have side covers to hide the junk under them.

    They don't have a digital EQ or crossover options? This might kill the deal for me...I need to install a seperate DAC? Sounds like I may as well just keep the eclipse HU then?

    Main problems I see up front will be where to mount the CD/DVD ROM (preferably a burner). Having to install a seperate DAC and getting the steeringwheel controlls to work.

    Right now I have integrated my steering wheel controlls with my Eclipse Hu through a PAC SWI-X it converts the controls to analog IR signal...

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    Ok I need some more help planning this system.

    Theres room for 2 screens in my truck however I'm considering keeping my eclipse HU and feeding audio into it.

    This would also allow me to install the DVDrw slimdrive underneath my existing HU, and still ratain steering wheel controlls. it would also give me a readily available volume knob, take care of TA, EQ etc. And allow me to play regular CD's without the Carputer AND keep decent AM/FM radio reception.

    Here is a truck that has both screens installed. I would be using the upper screen for the lilliput. The Eclipse HU and DVD would go in the lower area.
    http://www.titantalk.com/forums/tita...nx-7100-a.html

    However I have been told it will be better if I ditch the HU and mount the DVD drive elsewhere (like in the storage compartment or armrest), but then my concern will just be the volume controlls, and steeringwheel controlls...

    I have decided that I will probably Liquid Cool the PC for noise and heat purposes.

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    Liquid cooling isn't necessary, nor is it easily feasable.

    Grounding to the seat bolt is not a good grounding point in general for various reasons. I know that personally I've just recently discussed this with another member on here just last week.

    -Premium Sound, I want sound equal to what I'm getting with my Eclipse CD5444 Head unit. Meaning High Voltage Pre-outs if possible, Time Alignment, EQ's and Crossover as well as a separate adjustable sub output.
    Hit up the car audio sub forum. There are quite a few of us who pride outselves on the absolute best audio quality possible. We push the envelope and do things people say we never should have been able to do. However, you must understand that this is still very much a hobbiest area and as such will require a great deal of reading. Myself, Durwood, turbocad6, ScottFX, etc have all spent countless hours (in the hundreds) reading, researching, testing, posting, conversing about options here....all to make it easier for folks like yourself to get started.

    -AM/Fm Radio
    Very few viable options at this time. We are working on an HD radio that will work for this, but it's going to be a few months still before it's avaliable.

    -WiFi (connect to network to sync music collection) Windows updates etc..
    This is a given...in I'd say about 99.9% of the vehicles on here.

    -400-500 GB Hard drive (min 100 GB)
    You will want to research how to mount this in such a manner as to ensure long life. Mounting it flat, under the seat isn't ideal in my experiences. There have been quite a few threads on this as well.

    -Keep My Integrated Steering wheel controls
    Same idea as with your Eclipse HU. Adapters are avaliable.

    -Backup Camera / Front recording Cam is possible
    The store here sells a camera that is high quality for these purposes. If you want it to auto switch when you go to reverse you'll want a Xenarc screen, not a Lilliput, as such, your budget just increased.

    -Bluetooth (would be cool if I could connect to my phone and play music off it I have a Plantronics for my phone needs but speakerphone system would be nice too
    Check the forums for this as well. There are various options out there, but most important is the front end you chose to go with and how it implements the use of BlueTooth phone connectivity.

    - Video Player
    - USB (plug in thumb drive)
    Aren't these givens with computers these days?

    - 12V PSU
    Search the store as well. There's also a specific sub for for this. They have existed for years now and have gotten quite advanced.

    - Sound Quality: Will it be as good as my HU?
    Check my signiture. This should answer your question. There's also a VERY long thread about this very topic in the Car Audio forum: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/car-...d-quality.html

    Regarding rear speaker amplification: if you're so concerned with SQ I have to ask why do you care about rear speaker amplification? True SQ cars rarely have rear speakers, and if they do it's for a very light fill...if that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    Liquid cooling isn't necessary, nor is it easily feasable.
    Seems easier to me, since I have the space. I hate the noise involved with aircooling, and things tend to get hot when I go to the desert or in the car in cali, (this is a 4x4 truck btw). A single 120mm fan + radiator shoudl be enough to cool everything. What would not be feasable about it? Most WC pumps are already 12V I guess A leak could get messy, but I have never had one.

    Grounding to the seat bolt is not a good grounding point in general for various reasons. I know that personally I've just recently discussed this with another member on here just last week.
    My System is currently grounded to a rear seat bolt. I could not find another place (other than the rear wall which would be a bit more difficult) and I know it is best to make the ground as short as possible. The seat bolts to the frame of the truck, I already ground off the area around the bolt as well (frame and body).
    For the PC I was just going to run another line off the dirtribution block for power and ground (Streetwire P/G block with 4 ports, you know the one)

    Hit up the car audio sub forum. There are quite a few of us who pride outselves on the absolute best audio quality possible. We push the envelope and do things people say we never should have been able to do. However, you must understand that this is still very much a hobbiest area and as such will require a great deal of reading. Myself, Durwood, turbocad6, ScottFX, etc have all spent countless hours (in the hundreds) reading, researching, testing, posting, conversing about options here....all to make it easier for folks like yourself to get started.
    For sure I'm pretty much done with the audio portion, it was alot of work, although I still have anotehr $150 in deadening to do to the roof this summer, then I will really be finished.

    Very few viable options at this time. We are working on an HD radio that will work for this, but it's going to be a few months still before it's avaliable.

    So should I keep my existing HU and go this route or should I plan on replacing it? Seems to me it would provide instant music, AM/FM radio, TA EQ, Crossover without having to buy a bunch more equipment and install it. Also easy access to the volume knob...And it would be a great place (under it) to install a DVD drive in the dash to fill in the gap I have there now from thr DD to single Din CD Player. This is my first decision I need to make as the screen seems to be the hardest part of the install. if I go with the Nav bezel I can just 3M the screen to it and I'm done. In the double-din I may need some new trim pieces.
    The link I provided also shows a pic of a single din like I have installed.

    You will want to research how to mount this in such a manner as to ensure long life. Mounting it flat, under the seat isn't ideal in my experiences. There have been quite a few threads on this as well.
    I was going to install it in a Micro ATX computer case under the drivers seat, if I need to buy a smaller laptop drive though I guess that it will have to do. The only location is going to be under the seat inside the Micro ATX case. I have no space on the rear wall or under my rear seats as that is where I have all of my audio equipment. I knwo HD are very sensive to movement, so I'm thinking I may have issues here (Another reason a HU with tiny small integrated Hard Drive is sounding better) Or even an Ipod at this point.

    Same idea as with your Eclipse HU. Adapters are avaliable.
    Right, but easier to leave what is already in place done. The PAc-SWIX was a ***** to get working with my current HU, as of now I still have to bounce the IR off my arm to get it to work, there was no location where I could install the LED pointed at the HU (I spent almost a month trying to figure something out). Steeringwheel controlls for the Carputer would have to be something to think about getting later, soldering in there can BE a PITA and haveing to de-solder everything won't be fun either.

    The store here sells a camera that is high quality for these purposes. If you want it to auto switch when you go to reverse you'll want a Xenarc screen, not a Lilliput, as such, your budget just increased.
    Noted thanks!

    Check the forums for this as well. There are various options out there, but most important is the front end you chose to go with and how it implements the use of BlueTooth phone connectivity.
    Great, I will definately add this then but it won't be one of the first things done since I already have a headset that works fine in the car.

    Aren't these givens with computers these days?
    Rigth but I will need to mount a USE Hub Probably (jsut plannign ahead) but this can be added later as well if I have a whole ATX case under the seat

    Search the store as well. There's also a specific sub for for this. They have existed for years now and have gotten quite advanced.
    Will do, I'm sure I will have more Q's here as I want a pretty complex one that will put the PC into standby for a period of time before it hibernates.

    Check my signiture. This should answer your question. There's also a VERY long thread about this very topic in the Car Audio forum: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/car-...d-quality.html
    Awesome

    Regarding rear speaker amplification: if you're so concerned with SQ I have to ask why do you care about rear speaker amplification? True SQ cars rarely have rear speakers, and if they do it's for a very light fill...if that.
    Right, but right now I have some rear fill right now (HU Power) I can't hear it up front, but passengers int eh back that are sitting on top of the subs get a little use out of it (I think anyways, cause I can't hear it from the front). I sealed up the rear doors with Deadener and foam and put in some top of the lien DLS coaxals and crossover then decided not to amp them.


    Still not sure of what to do for the screen, but open to suggestions, it would be nice to spend under 1k on the screen alone otherwise I feel I may as well just buy the Eclipse HU that has 90% of these features... I want transflective coating for sure just not sure if I should add the Nav Bezel or keep my stock HU and add a DVD drive below it.


    Thanks for your help, it appears you know quite alot about these systems. I am pressed for time working on the truck itself as It is my daily but would have plenty of time to mess with stuff outside of the truck. Even if it means buying another Bezel (They are like $40)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justintoxicated View Post
    Seems easier to me, since I have the space. I hate the noise involved with aircooling, and things tend to get hot when I go to the desert or in the car in cali, (this is a 4x4 truck btw). A single 120mm fan + radiator shoudl be enough to cool everything. What would not be feasable about it? Most WC pumps are already 12V I guess A leak could get messy, but I have never had one.
    You've also never had a watercooled rig bouncing across the desert sands, either.
    It's one thing when it's sitting on your desk. It's another when it's subjected to the vibrations of a vehicle, let alone off-roading.

    To be honest, if you plan your systenm properly, the noise of any aircooling equipment (otherwise known as fans) should be minimal. Go for low-power components, as they generate less heat. LEss heat means less cooling. LEss cooling equals less noise. You could easily cool most system with a single 120mm fan and eschew the radiator and pump. That will mean less power draw, another plus.
    For the PC I was just going to run another line off the dirtribution block for power and ground (Streetwire P/G block with 4 ports, you know the one)
    Yup. I have one myself.
    So should I keep my existing HU and go this route or should I plan on replacing it? Seems to me it would provide instant music, AM/FM radio, TA EQ, Crossover without having to buy a bunch more equipment and install it. Also easy access to the volume knob...And it would be a great place (under it) to install a DVD drive in the dash to fill in the gap I have there now from thr DD to single Din CD Player. This is my first decision I need to make as the screen seems to be the hardest part of the install. if I go with the Nav bezel I can just 3M the screen to it and I'm done. In the double-din I may need some new trim pieces. The link I provided also shows a pic of a single din like I have installed.
    Yeah, it's a tough one. I think of radio as the deciding factor. If you NEED terrestrial radio, then retain your headunit, as there's only one PC-based tuner of any quality, and the software support for it is spotty, as it's still being developed.

    I was going to install it in a Micro ATX computer case under the drivers seat, if I need to buy a smaller laptop drive though I guess that it will have to do. The only location is going to be under the seat inside the Micro ATX case. I have no space on the rear wall or under my rear seats as that is where I have all of my audio equipment. I knwo HD are very sensive to movement, so I'm thinking I may have issues here (Another reason a HU with tiny small integrated Hard Drive is sounding better) Or even an Ipod at this point.
    Will do, I'm sure I will have more Q's here as I want a pretty complex one that will put the PC into standby for a period of time before it hibernates.
    You're going to have to look really hard for that. That's a feature that's typically only found on laptops. Good luck with that one.
    Still not sure of what to do for the screen, but open to suggestions, it would be nice to spend under 1k on the screen alone otherwise I feel I may as well just buy the Eclipse HU that has 90% of these features... I want transflective coating for sure just not sure if I should add the Nav Bezel or keep my stock HU and add a DVD drive below it.
    A screen for under a grand is easy. Since you're going to be bouncing around under the bright desert sun, I'd suggest the transflective screen that's offered in the mp3car.com store. It has the best readability under direct sunlight, hands down.

    Thanks for your help, it appears you know quite alot about these systems. I am pressed for time working on the truck itself as It is my daily but would have plenty of time to mess with stuff outside of the truck. Even if it means buying another Bezel (They are like $40)
    You can also check out eBay or car-parts.com for the bezel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justintoxicated View Post
    Seems easier to me, since I have the space. I hate the noise involved with aircooling, and things tend to get hot when I go to the desert or in the car in cali, (this is a 4x4 truck btw). A single 120mm fan + radiator shoudl be enough to cool everything. What would not be feasable about it? Most WC pumps are already 12V I guess A leak could get messy, but I have never had one.
    Part of being judged in Sound Quality competitions is other noises.

    Prior to this year, only old set-up, without any work, I would constantly score perfect in this area.

    I was going to install it in a Micro ATX computer case under the drivers seat, if I need to buy a smaller laptop drive though I guess that it will have to do. The only location is going to be under the seat inside the Micro ATX case. I have no space on the rear wall or under my rear seats as that is where I have all of my audio equipment.
    There are places other than what you can see just by sitting in the truck.

    My GTi didn't have any room in the back because of the system:



    So we used our heads and found another location:



    It's possible, you just have to look.

    I knwo HD are very sensive to movement, so I'm thinking I may have issues here (Another reason a HU with tiny small integrated Hard Drive is sounding better) Or even an Ipod at this point.
    I ran a 200 gig IDE drive for about 3 years without any problems. I upgraded my system to a 300 gig SATA drive and started to have issues with data loss because of the position.

    After running a CarPC for so many years, I must say that everything else is archaic. You can't even begin to get the same functionality out of a HU on the market (short of the G4) as you can out of a CarPC....

    Granted, a CarPC in the hobbiest sense, is not for everyone. It takes time to learn how to do everything and how to get it working right. But once you do, it's something you'll be hooked on for a long long time....heck, it hooked me so much I left my job and started working for this place.

    Still not sure of what to do for the screen, but open to suggestions, it would be nice to spend under 1k on the screen alone otherwise I feel I may as well just buy the Eclipse HU that has 90% of these features... I want transflective coating for sure just not sure if I should add the Nav Bezel or keep my stock HU and add a DVD drive below it.


    7" or 8" Transflective monitor avaliable from the store here.

    I am pressed for time working on the truck itself as It is my daily but would have plenty of time to mess with stuff outside of the truck. Even if it means buying another Bezel (They are like $40)
    I'll tell you right now, if you THROUGHLY plan everything out, and I do mean THROUGH, a weekend to install the CarPC is feasable (as long as there's no fabrication). But you had better have all of your ducks in a row before you start installing.
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