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    Hey guys,
    It's me again.

    Well, I got rid of my old car, and I'm buying a new one, but I'm sticking with my original plan of putting in a serious computer. I did however decide to downgrade my monitor to this: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/iview_1210
    I might even lower it to a 10 inch.

    But as for my computer, I'm going to need A LOT of power, I plan on running between a 1200-1400 watt PSU. I can make the case smaller, mini-itx, micro-itx or w/e that's not really relevant anyways. So onto my issue, as I said obviously I'm going to need a lot of power, and a large power inverter. It will need to be hooked up directly to a battery, but not my car battery, I'll need another extra one. On some sites they suggest on using a marine battery, or even an RV battery. My first question.

    -What size battery would you recommend for this kind of power consumption, and approx how long to you think the battery life will last (hrs).

    Also, theres no need to worry about heat from the battery or from the computer, they will both be held in custom fan-less housings. So as for my second question, I know there are external "battery recharges"

    -What would you recommend for this? Also should I run it at all times even when the pc is running?

    Thanks for your help, I would appreciate help on the questions, as opposed to trying to talk me out of it, because I'm dead set on the PC.

    Once again thanks.<br /><br /><br /><br />

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstriker View Post
    Hey guys,
    It's me again.
    Wasn't that a Ray Steven's song?

    But as for my computer, I'm going to need A LOT of power, I plan on running between a 1200-1400 watt PSU.
    WTF?!?!?!
    My god, man... WHY?!?!?!?!
    The butt-kickingest gaming PCs don't need a PSU that potent! What on earth are you planning on doing with an uber-powerful PC in the car? And why do you think you need a 1200w PSU? What hardware do you indend on running?

    Hell, a high-end gaming system with a couple of 10,000rpm hard drives, dual high-end video cards running in SLI, two optical drives and the fastes Intel EE CPU made overclocked to its melting point with a freon-based cooling system can use a 1000w PSU.....

    Even if you were contemplating a system that potent in your car... Why? What would you be doing with a bad-*** PC in the car? Are you planning on some uber-fast 3D renderings or playing the latest and greates games in the car?

    -What size battery would you recommend for this kind of power consumption, and approx how long to you think the battery life will last (hrs).
    I'm not going to recommend a battery, because I don't know.
    I will, however, recommend paring down your PC specs to something less powerful, as any setup that requires a PSU that substantial is severe overkill for the car.
    Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
    How about the Wiki?



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    DISCLAIMER: This is a purely intellectual exercise. I don't recommend any of this. Also, I don't know a lot about cars and generators; my expertise is in computers and batteries, so I'll focus there.

    Electricity 101: Volts x Amps = Watts. Power storage on a battery is rated in Amp-Hours, a measure of how long a battery can supply one amp at its rated voltage.

    To give you an idea, 12V car batteries tend to run 30-60 Ah. (Based on a quick Google search I just did, and we all know that the Internet is 100% fully accurate and true.)

    Pulling 1400W from a 12V, 60Ah battery will give you nearly 31 minutes of operation from a brand new, fully charged battery to a dead weight in your trunk, and that's assuming your battery's 100% charged to its listed capacity (it won't be), it'll deliver reliable power down to 0Ah (unlikely), it's rated at 60Ah (most aren't), and there's no loss anywhere in your system (there will be - wires are resistors and 100% efficient components are a myth). Plus, fully discharging a car battery does not do wonders for its lifespan. The next time you charge it, you won't get 60Ah out of it.

    You can get 250Ah marine batteries for about $400. That might last you two hours in a theoretical situation, but that's a bad assumption to make. In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they never are.

    On the subject of chargers, what sort of power supply do you intend to charge it with? A generator running in your trunk would result in carbon monoxide in the cabin, and I can't think of anything else that would be able to sustain the kind of drain we're talking about here. You could try to contain it and vent it, but I wouldn't trust my life to it. You certainly don't want to use the car engine to charge it.

    Minimalism, doing more with less, seems to be the prevailing philosophy on these boards, based on what I've seen in the short time I've been here. People are doing wonders with 50W. Take a look around, and good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nacho View Post
    In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they never are.
    Nacho, that is one of the best one-line comments I've heard. With your permission I'll use that one !!

    Cheers,

    Long.1

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    Thanks. You have my permission, but I probably stole it from somebody else. A good memory for quotes combined with a poor memory for attribution can lead to a false sense of originality.

    Anything I post, unless otherwise noted, is released under GPL - you can use it freely and without compensation, but you have to make it available to others and include the letters you used to form the words.

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    I don't encourage you to have a 1200-1400watt system in your car.

    However, I believe that you can add a second battery and change your alternator to a "Dual-Output Alternator". If you have the Car PC Hacks book, read hack #10 on page 39 about this.

    Again, I'm a n00b here so take my words as 100% correct

    Parsa (PdLoadeR)

    P.S. Nacho, I loved your quotes and since they are licensed under GPL then I shall use it in my signature

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nacho View Post
    In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they never are.


    Quote Originally Posted by long.1 View Post
    Nacho, that is one of the best one-line comments I've heard. With your permission I'll use that one !!

    Cheers,

    Long.1


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    What I planned on running in the pc was this:
    -IN9 32X-MAX nForce 680i SLI 775 ATX Motherboard
    -Quad core intel pentium 3.0 Ghz per core.
    -2 150 gb 10k raptors in RAID 0.
    -1 750 gb 7200 rpm hdd
    -4 gb ocz 9400 ddr2 ram
    -Single or Dual Nvidia GeForce 8800 Ultra Black Pearl
    -Sound Blaster X-FI Elite Pro PCI Sound Card
    -a Blu Ray Burner
    -20x DVD+-RW burner
    -15 in 1 media card reader
    -custom case with custom cooling
    - D-Link Xtreme N Desktop Adapter (http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0247105)
    -remove all three of the antennas and connect each of them to large powerful range extenders thus having three of those for uber range.
    -mouse keyboard and all that other crap.

    I just figured 1200watts would be a good amount, not too little and generously enough.

    So is there any actual advice about the rv battery of any of that stuff?

    -Shadow

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    Hi There Shadowstriker,

    Well I'm blown away by that list of components. Surely you'll agree though that the majority of members here would only dream of owning that type of PC.

    The problem comes when you talk about integrating this type of thing in a car. Most members here will label it as extraordinarily excessive and unrealistic for a car application. So, the reason why you'll not get much help with your plans is because most believe it's extreme for the car environment and it has probably never been done before.

    Good luck, but unfortunately I doubt you'll get the help/advice you're after.

    Cheers,

    Long.1

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    Ok, First of all, what type of car do you have?

    You are talking about 2 graphic card and a Quad core CPU... where do you want to put 2 screens that need such a huge need for sharp video?

    You can have such a system, but you have to have an RV battery ( or maybe 2) which are huge in size. That's why I'm asking what car are you trying to install this system in? Also recharging those battery would release toxic fumes which you have to vent out of the passenger area.
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