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    @kev0000 whats the bootup from cold like on linuxICE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    I don't think so. Linux just doesn't have support for all that windows does, and writing a CarPC os that'll replace windows would be near impossible. I mean look at how long ReactOS has been working on that very thing, and that OS hardly has any functionality.
    Tidder, shhh! The community here at mp3car has the power to provide support for *all* carpc hardware in *any* OS they choose. There is more than enough knowledge power here. I'd love for the community at large to back Linux because its a better base for this type of application. The desire from the community is lacking, so LinuxICE isn't nearly what it has the potential to be. I'm not dogging the community, I believe the community is just putting their effort in that which they perceive to be most valuable. Maybe I haven't convinced enough that Linux is really a better platform, and thus more valuable? idk.

    BTW, ReactOS was never meant as anything more than a science experiment creating a managed OS. It may become something, but MS isn't putting very much behind it to make it something in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kloves2fly View Post
    @kev0000 whats the bootup from cold like on linuxICE
    for LinuxICE2, we are shooting for < 20seconds cold (from post). moving forward, and as ubuntu incorperates more moblin fast-boot stuff we'll hopefullly get that to <10seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    for LinuxICE2, we are shooting for < 20seconds cold (from post). moving forward, and as ubuntu incorperates more moblin fast-boot stuff we'll hopefullly get that to <10seconds.
    wow thats pretty sweet but with so much fat shaved off should be doable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kloves2fly View Post
    true but linux has more than enough support for what is required in a carpc.
    Ha, really? Point me to a turn by turn nav software that runs on linux that's at least as good as iGuidance. Don't point me to Navit, it doesn't work currently. Don't point me to GPS Drive, that's no good either. Don't tell me wine, I've already been there, done that.
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    I still need to mess with the recent NGhost since life has been very busy here lately, but I am another person who is committed to linux on car computers.

    No form of Windows has or ever will be on mine.

    As for hardware and software support:

    The weak point is indeed GPS navigation software.
    I have and continue to try everything that runs natively in linux and it is not sufficient still. Sadly, until there is a commercial application it may never be truly sufficient.
    Why do I say this?
    I require a few things from nav. software:
    correct interpretation of maps (no seeing an overpass or tunnel as an intersection)
    the ability to select a route by address
    ability to save addresses/locations

    None of that is available yet in one, stable, linus native app.
    Maybe someday...

    That said, linux IS still a better choice for OS as it is completely customizable and can be customized completely for the purpose of a car computer.

    I use it on mine and deal with navigation using wine to run a windows app; not the solution I would prefer, but it works just fine.

    I have always intended to do what I could to help with Nghost/LinuxICE but have not yet been able to devote any time to it sadly, but it IS quite promising.

    Moblin's code is very promising too, and I look forward to it maturing as a base for a carpc-specific distro, but it should be understood that Moblin is NOT intended to actually BE a distribution of linux:
    it is code, a framework and tools to develop and create a distribution.

    At least that was the stated intention the last time I really looked into it, which was a few months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    Maybe I haven't convinced enough that Linux is really a better platform, and thus more valuable?
    Perhaps there's the calling... your duty... your mission...
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    just a question to the coders around here. i get the wime? emulation thinggy in linux, but for navigation, don't you need good maps and something that can read them? I'm saying: we have igo8, with it's maps, personally i think it's great, is it that difficult to break the code to linux? As far as i know, and surely i'm wrong, igo8pc was supposed to be a test or something of the like.
    I had a look at nghost and kev's solution, and they're great.
    For the life of me i can't understand why can somebody programming savvy be able to adapt igo8pc (i know about iguidance, msstreet..., and others of the genre) to work on linux. I'm far from anything called someone capable of coding, but in my opinion, armchair expert obviously, i think the only thing to be done actually is for the program to communicate with the OS. Everything else, reading the maps and speaking comes naturally.

    I might be wrong but don't some people have the source code for it? digital car.. forum, people always came up with the zoomers and similar things, so they ought to know something of the code, or maybe not. If i'm mistaken i'll hide under the carpet for the next week,
    best of luck to all the coders around, you've done a great job, using rr as a media/thinggy for my dorm.

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    My suggestion is just run Windows XP, but tweak the $h!+ out of it. With proper tweaking you can have amazing boot times. About 7 seconds. On my install if I unplug all 20+ USB devices, my system does about that. Since I do have 20+ plugged in, boot time is 20 seconds, but thats not even Windows, its my MoBo BIOS checking all the devices. Also you can use hibernation which cuts down on BOOT time, I get on about 10 seconds.
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    Thread started to try and pull resources to build a new GPS app that works on Mac/Linux: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/soft...ml#post1319590
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