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    Newbie....2008 Cadillac STS

    So I've been read-only browsing for a couple of weeks & saw some really cool stuff.

    Read through the FAQS, did some searches, etc. Was originally gonna do a trunk-mount application, but the double-din interests me at this point...just wish they'd be available...gotta wait till the end of Sept I guess.

    Anyone else do a carpc in a newer STS? I've seen the older ones referenced, but not really the 2005 - current STS model. I just bought a 2008 Cadillac STS on Saturday. In looking at it, the dash has the room, but the original head unit may have to stay as it does some DIC (Driver Information Center) functions as well.

    For the front-end, I'm leaning towards Centrafug, but also looking at RideRunner.

    Would LOVE to do this quickly if I can get the double-din, etc.

    Any suggestions, gotchas, etc? Will attach a car pic shortly...

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    Just to clarify...You're looking to install carpc that all fits in a double-din slot? Kind of like the azentek or guru? Are there any systems in particular that you are considering?

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    2008 Cadillac STS

    I hadn't seen the azentek before, but I don't see a price @ initial glance.

    The Guru, well, to be honest, $3,000? Come on!

    The Bybyte is out of stock (forever?), though I did like the look of their CE-400. The Bybyte Double Din Mini-ITX case 2DIN-mini-m629 Bare metal case is also out of stock.

    I saw the SWIITEK stuff & sent them an e-mail:
    http://www.swiitek.com/cargps.html

    I'd love to find a double din chassis with motorized touch screen that I can put components behind...or a barebones unit that I can add stuff to...

    I'm sorta stuck between a rock & a hard place...I can't do TOO much to the car (thus why I'm looking at the double din units) because it's a cadillac certified & I don't want to void the warranty.

    And while I know a lot about computers (Server administrator by day), I don't know squat about the car to tear stuff apart to run wires, cables, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got2BTru View Post
    Anyone else do a carpc in a newer STS? I've seen the older ones referenced, but not really the 2005 - current STS model. I just bought a 2008 Cadillac STS on Saturday. In looking at it, the dash has the room, but the original head unit may have to stay as it does some DIC (Driver Information Center) functions as well.

    For the front-end, I'm leaning towards Centrafug, but also looking at RideRunner.

    Would LOVE to do this quickly if I can get the double-din, etc.

    Any suggestions, gotchas, etc? Will attach a car pic shortly...
    First of all, there no such thing as "do this quickly" when you're talking about modding a Caddy.

    Let me ask a few questions to get a point of reference:
    1. Does your STS have a BOSE radio?
    2. Does it have Nav?
    3. How comfortable are you running power wiring in a car?
    4. Are you going to do a "Big 3" upgrade to your electrical system?
    5. Are you going to upgrade your car audio at the same time/or later?

    With these questions answered, I can better assist you.
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    [QUOTE=GizmoQ;1339501]First of all, there no such thing as "do this quickly" when you're talking about modding a Caddy.

    That's what I was afraid of....but that's also why I was moreso looking at the in-dash double din pc..

    To answer your questions...
    1. Does your STS have a BOSE radio?I'll look tomorrow - I know for certain the speakers are BOSE, so I *ASSUME* (you know how that goes though) the radio is.
    2. Does it have Nav?No - that's the first reason I am looking at a car pc
    3. How comfortable are you running power wiring in a car?Not very myself, but I'm pretty sure I can get someone who knows that they're doing for somewhat reasonable
    4. Are you going to do a "Big 3" upgrade to your electrical system? Open to it depending on cost...
    5. Are you going to upgrade your car audio at the same time/or later?Open to it now depending on cost...[/

    I was originally simply looking to get an oem nav (on eBay, etc) for the car when I started looking at the whole mobile pc market. I have $850 budget (and approved by the Mrs.)...anything else will require executive approval!

    Hope this helps, and I appreciate your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got2BTru View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoQ View Post
    First of all, there no such thing as "do this quickly" when you're talking about modding a Caddy.

    That's what I was afraid of....but that's also why I was more so looking at the in-dash double din pc..

    To answer your questions...
    1. Does your STS have a BOSE radio?I'll look tomorrow - I know for certain the speakers are BOSE, so I *ASSUME* (you know how that goes though) the radio is.
    2. Does it have Nav?No - that's the first reason I am looking at a car pc
    3. How comfortable are you running power wiring in a car?Not very myself, but I'm pretty sure I can get someone who knows that they're doing for somewhat reasonable
    4. Are you going to do a "Big 3" upgrade to your electrical system? Open to it depending on cost...
    5. Are you going to upgrade your car audio at the same time/or later?Open to it now depending on cost...[/

    I was originally simply looking to get an oem nav (on eBay, etc) for the car when I started looking at the whole mobile pc market. I have $850 budget (and approved by the Mrs.)...anything else will require executive approval!

    Hope this helps, and I appreciate your help!

    I was hoping some of the other audio techs would chime in here but I figured you deserved a timely reply. The good news is you can put a double din in the Radio location; the bad news is you need to keep your existing radio hooked up. There is a $65 harness available to remote it into the trunk, there's a $80 aux in adapter for the PC sound, and Metra does have a bezel for the screen (motorized flip-out is a not a good idea). That said, with your current budget, you might as well keep the speakers too.

    Don't limit your options to just a doubleDin solution for locating the PC. Several alternatives exist: Trunk, glovebox, center console behind and beneath the radio, under the back seats, etc. You infer you will have it done by a professional installer, just make sure he has extensive experience with Cadillacs. Have him quote you the addition of the Big Three Upgrade at the same time he estimates the PC install.

    Take this project slow - you don't want to have to redo it. I would suggest researching the alternative locations for area available, then compare the motherboards that fit your needs with those locations. Determine what peripherals you want and their locations. Build the system on a bench and get everything working the way you want. Then have the installer mount it and wire it.
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    Newbie...2008 Cadillac STS

    I appreciate your response(s)!

    I had already flip-flopped, but your post has me curious.

    After looking at my console & figuring I would have to leave the existing radio in place because of the DIC (drivers information center), I was going away from the double-din center unit. There is a storage cubby that I was thinking could hold a 7" motorized LCD screen.

    For the computer, I was thinking about placing it in the trunk & going with this:
    MoCoSo PC (Mini ITX Carputer Car PC w/ D945GCLF2, M2-ATX, 2Gb RAM)

    I think I like Centrafuse for the FE (haven't downloaded RideRunner yet)

    Wasn't gonna plan on replacing speakers (yet)...budget.

    OK, so on to your comments:
    "There is a $65 harness available to remote it into the trunk" - how would that work sitting in my trunk - I have no access to the DIC?

    "motorized flip-out is a not a good idea)" - WHY?

    My thought process was that if I had to leave the OEM radio for the DIC, I could keep it as stock looking as possible by replacing the storage pocket with a single din motorized flip out. I could replace the 6 disc changer with a remote USB DVD player & then place the PC in the trunk.

    Thoughts?

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    how about a partial audio answer? :P

    i am not sure that the big 3 upgrade is worthwhile if you are just doing a car computer-- it will not hurt anything to do, but, i am not convinced that it is absolutly needed for a single car computer install with no amps. (in case you are clueless as to what the big 3 is, here is a good read: http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubbthre.../312025/page/1 )


    [sarcasm] gm was kind enough to integrate your radio with most of your cars features-- so you either must use the bypass kit, or use the factory radio-- otherwise, features like your dome light, and door chime will not work(there could be other features that i am not aware of, Gizmo might be able to help with what is affected better-- i have not had to install anything in the newer gm cars with the data bus, all of my families gm cars were built before 1997).

    i am not completly familiar with the best way to integrate a caddy and computer, but according to google, you should be able to use this:

    http://www.autosoundcentral.com/PAC_..._p/upacsts.htm

    or at least something similar to pipe the audio from the computer into the factory radio-- so you will can keep the factory radio where it is...


    motorized screens seem to have alot of problems--i do not have one, so you might want to check it out for yourself, but from what i have seen in the lcd topic area, almost all flipout screens, motorized, and non-motorized, have issues where the control ribbon cable going to the display randomly breaks/falls off, the motorization stops working, recently, i read of one that the display randomly reverses the image(at least i think it was a motorized display). it also seems that once you send it into the manufacurer for service, you will need to send it back to them a couple of times, not only to get the original problem fixed, but also in the months after they fixed it for the same issue...

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    SoundMan...

    Thanks for the response!

    In reading through the initial FAQS, I'm aware of the big 3, and I tend to agree that just for the car pc, it may not be necessary.

    So to pipe the audio from the computer into the radio I would use the iPod kit? Interesting. I would have thought a xxx.

    As for the motorized lcd, I need to take a tape measure to the driveway & look at the opening in the console - it tapers slightly, but I will measure the width & height to see what I have to work with. If I have to put something stationary, then I hope to go with an 8" (space permitting of course). It sounds like there are too many issues with the motorized units...it does have a "cool factor" though....

    And yes, I too was disappointed GM "helped me out" by integrating computer control into the radio...

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    OK, so measurements in the center console dash are as follows:
    7 7/8 wide @ the top, tapering down to 7 5/16 wide @ the bottom
    5 3/8 tall
    These measurements are from the outside, so it stands to reason there *should* be some extra room internally.

    Now gotta go look & see what the dimensions are for an 8" touch screen!

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