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    New guy looking for help with 2005 GTO in San Diego area

    Really appreciate this forum so far. I've been reading, but there's a lot to digest, and my mission seems to change daily.

    My conundrum:

    Do I go with a carputer like axiomtek and a lilliput touchscreen? I'm not looking for specifics here, because I know its a big can, but what I want to avoid is installing everything myself and messing something up like the security in my car. Are there any shops you'd recommend in San Diego? Is there any short advice you can give if I choose this road?

    Do I wait for the parrot asteroid to come out? Seems like a pretty cool somewhat open source car receiver running android. http://www.parrot.com/asteroid

    I have a laptop, I have a Xoom, do I make one of these my carputer?

    I really wish there was a head unit that was basically a dummy preamp (maybe i'm not using the right word here) that acts the same way a home stereo receiver does. I understand that there are differences between home and car audio, but damn I wish I had something that let me just use my; ipod running rockbox, or a zune, or any other kind of device via USB to play my music. I have those devices setup to play the music formats that I like (flac mostly) and I really want all of the playback to happen there. I don't need any of the features that most receivers come with now; bluetooth, navigation ("the unaimed arrow never misses" ~some archer), USB\ipod direct playback, voice command, touchscreen even. I just want something that; a. doesn't use a cheesey headphone jack, and B. doesn't try and take over whatever I plug into it. Does such a thing exist?

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    It is called an amp. That is what it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    It is called an amp. That is what it does.
    Ok, but are there "amps" that will accept a usb connection from any device that can do playback on that device, as I mentioned?

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    it sounds like you want to go headless..
    i ran a setup like that for 3 months.
    you just need to run a cable from the device to the amp to get enough power at the speakers.

    what is cheesy about headphone connections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    it sounds like you want to go headless..
    i ran a setup like that for 3 months.
    you just need to run a cable from the device to the amp to get enough power at the speakers.

    what is cheesy about headphone connections?
    Well, yeah... maybe I have some serious misconceptions about this, but I'm just thinking when spending $1000 on speakers (the new alpine type R) that using a headphone\aux jack to an amp or receiver of any kind defeats some purpose there, especially when playing lossless\flac. I'm just now finding out about DACs, and my current hope is that the cable you mentioned going to an amp will be rca from a DAC like the HRT streamerII+, and from that any usb device i can imagine, as long as that device does playback of some kind and ist not just an external drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobMajerle View Post
    Ok, but are there "amps" that will accept a usb connection from any device that can do playback on that device, as I mentioned?
    I thought you did *not* want it to take over USB devices? Also USB audio is not lossless. You can have a raw encoding of media, but I know of no portable mp3 player that allows for lossless playback and export over USB or a headphone jack.

    Red has won many an SQ competition with her CarPC. I believe durwood (maybe?) also had a high SQ competition system. I would look into their worklogs/posts and see what they have done. Red has won first and close to first nationally a few times. She knows what she is doing, and there is a reason why she went with a CarPC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    I thought you did *not* want it to take over USB devices? Also USB audio is not lossless. You can have a raw encoding of media, but I know of no portable mp3 player that allows for lossless playback and export over USB or a headphone jack.

    Red has won many an SQ competition with her CarPC. I believe durwood (maybe?) also had a high SQ competition system. I would look into their worklogs/posts and see what they have done. Red has won first and close to first nationally a few times. She knows what she is doing, and there is a reason why she went with a CarPC.
    I don't want the amp to take over usb devices, I want the IPOD or similar device to do all of the playback, I just want to use USB as the output in some way, DAC hopefully? I'm running an ipod with rockbox OS, it plays flac. Are you saying that theres still no way that its still doing lossless or raw media? If so, why is that, and what kind of devices truly are losselss playback?

    I don't know who Red is, but I was able to find Durwood and I'm looking through some posts. Thanks for that

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    ^ i believe both redgti, and durwood both went with a car audio-specific carpc--both did it for the audio processing(ie. time alignment, crossovers, etc all in the computer-- while the audio is still in the digital realm in the pc, before it goes through the DAC's).. it seems the OP has already decided to go with a ipad-type install which is similar, but different, because ipads aren't very easy to upgrade the audio quality...(where the carpc just needs a new sound card)

    i am not going to attempt to convince you that either way is better/worse then the other. there is certain things about either that can make them desirable, but i chose the carpc, so my opinion is heavily biased in that direction...


    type-r:
    not really sure what your end goal is for your audio system, but have you looked at sites like diymobileaudio.com, or realmofexursion.com to confirm the type-r's are the 'best' purchase?

    for instance-- i was getting ready to spend nearly $800-1,000 for a set of component drivers(hybrid audio legatia pro's) when i started doing some research on diymobileaudio, and ended up with a couple of dayton audio tweeters, and peerless mids-- that ended up costing less then $200, and imo, sounds almost as good..

    the point of this being that while the type-r's appear really good right now, after you do some research, you might find that there is a better solution. or you might find that the type-r's are the best, but you can rest assured that you know that you researched it and found the best solution to your needs.

    and then there is the end quality-- i have never found a company where i am so happy with their entire lineup that i want to replace both my highs, mids, and lows with that specific brand.

    i understand doing this if the company sponsors the vehicle/install, but really don't see a point to it if they ain't paying for it.. there are way too many companies out there to limit yourself to what one company offers..


    headphone connector:
    i have not seen any evidence that proves that any type of standard audio connector affects the audio quality more or less then another type...

    granted, every connection will slightly degrade the audio signal, but this degradation is usually so low that you would need fancy equipment to 'see' the difference. of course, if you connect 400 2" cables together, there might be enough degradation across all the connections to tell a difference.

    if you have anythings that disproves this, though, i would love to see it (i really need to redo my entire setup).

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    I wouldn't be able to find anything, I'm just going off of my experience in home audio. Using a Bose sound dock this Ipod I'm using to play flac sounds great, and it uses USB to dock. When I hook it up to the headphone jack to a receiver using decent polk tsi speakers, it sounds bad. My assumption is that it sounds bad because its an analog line level output signal. USB will always be a digital signal right? And my assumption is that a digital signal to a DAC then to an amp is going to be 100X better than an analog signal using ipods crap DAC straight to an amp. And the same goes for any other device that might or might not have an internal DAC, like a xoom, zune, or any other usb playback device. Are you saying that its probably not worth using a DAC unless i'm going with a true carpc setup that has a sound card?

    The only research I've done on the type R is talking to shops, hearing them, and reading reviews. I might do more research, but I'd probably be pretty happy with those and a 4 channel amp to power them. Are you saying that mid end speakers aren't worth while using a DAC with?

    I'm still trying to find out if a DAC can provide what I'm looking for. Can anyone tell me from experience whether a DAC can provide signal to an amp from just about any USB device that does playback like the ones I mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobMajerle View Post
    I don't want the amp to take over usb devices, I want the IPOD or similar device to do all of the playback, I just want to use USB as the output in some way, DAC hopefully? I'm running an ipod with rockbox OS, it plays flac. Are you saying that theres still no way that its still doing lossless or raw media? If so, why is that, and what kind of devices truly are losselss playback?

    I don't know who Red is, but I was able to find Durwood and I'm looking through some posts. Thanks for that

    Sorry, "Red" is RedGtiVr6: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/members/redgtivr6.html

    This thread was in my email account from a while ago. Still has some good nuggets in it: http://www.mp3car.com/car-audio/9647...dio-level.html

    And yes even though you can play lossless on a device, it has to be pumped out somehow. If going over USB, you are limited to 24bit and a maximum of 1Mbps. So depending on your sample rate, your bit rate must go down. Or decrease bitrate, increase sample frequency. That is a limitation of USB excluding USB 2.0 Audio Devices (of which there are none that I know of) and of course now 3.0. If you are going out the headphone jack, then you must ask yourself how are those digital bits becoming a sine wave? The chip inside the ipod is meant for lower end audio and it delivers what it promises. You could feed it a raw studio encoding, but that chip is limited to what it can put out.
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