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    Lilliput 7" TS differences in models

    $249 - 7" Lilliput EBY701
    $299 - 7" Lilliput 629GL-70NP/C/T
    $299 - 7" Lilliput 669GL-70NP/C/T VGA HDMI DVI
    $324 - 7" Lilliput 669GL-70NP/C/T-HB-RV HDMI DVI
    $724 - 7" Lilliput 669GL-70NP/C/T (Sunlight Readable)

    I've researched and found soem very technical info on the differences betweem these, but I was wondering if someone could explain to me in lehmans terms.

    If I go with the EBY701 to save about $50 will I be kicking myself later?

    What is the diff between the 629 and the 669?

    Someone just tell me which one is better!

    Thanks!

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    The EBY701 is a very entry display. The contrast ratio on it isn't very good and the viewing angles aren't the best either. I've seen a couple and I was put off by them, I defiantly do not recommend it.
    The 629 made some improvements to the EBY701, but its viewing angles are still not very good (the contrast and brightness are great however).
    The 669 introduced hdmi input and much better viewing angles. The resolution is also much more flexible and supports up to 1080p.
    the HB-RV model is the same as the 669, but with much better brightness (50% better).
    the sunlight readable version is a HB version with a coating on it to reduce glare and help make it more sunlight readable.

    I wouldn't waste my time on the EB or 629, I would get a 669. I really like my HB version, and never had an issue with sunlight readability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by custom90gt View Post
    The EBY701 is a very entry display. The contrast ratio on it isn't very good and the viewing angles aren't the best either. I've seen a couple and I was put off by them, I defiantly do not recommend it.
    The 629 made some improvements to the EBY701, but its viewing angles are still not very good (the contrast and brightness are great however).
    The 669 introduced hdmi input and much better viewing angles. The resolution is also much more flexible and supports up to 1080p.
    the HB-RV model is the same as the 669, but with much better brightness (50% better).
    the sunlight readable version is a HB version with a coating on it to reduce glare and help make it more sunlight readable.

    I wouldn't waste my time on the EB or 629, I would get a 669. I really like my HB version, and never had an issue with sunlight readability.
    This is not entirely true.

    The current 701 and 629 monitors (2008+) use the Exact same LCD panel, and with the exception of the power input connector location, they have the Exact same controller board.
    How can they have different contrast and viewing angles when they share the same LCD?

    The 669 regular version is 250 nits brightness, and the HB is 450 nits. Almost double.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tft_lcd_org View Post
    This is not entirely true.

    The current 701 and 629 monitors (2008+) use the Exact same LCD panel, and with the exception of the power input connector location, they have the Exact same controller board.
    How can they have different contrast and viewing angles when they share the same LCD?

    The 669 regular version is 250 nits brightness, and the HB is 450 nits. Almost double.
    I got the viewing angle info from lilliput's website, so i was unaware they used the same screens in later version. I would say poor advertising on lilliput's side.
    Since the eye detects changes in lux on a logarithmic scale, 450nits will appear to be nearly 50% brighter than 250nits. The new screens would have to be 1000nits for it to be 2x as bright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by custom90gt View Post
    Since the eye detects changes in lux on a logarithmic scale, 450nits will appear to be nearly 50% brighter than 250nits. The new screens would have to be 1000nits for it to be 2x as bright.
    Again, not entirely true. Although the first part of your statement may be correct when discussing ambient lighting, an LCD's perceived brightness increase doesn't always come from back light increases.
    An LCD that is optically enhanced with transflective films does not require a back light increase to appear brighter to the user. Therefore, my comment on 250 nits to 450 nits being almost double is correct as far as advertised specs. go. The brightness value, as measured by a photometer, is in fact more than 50% higher. It is close to 100% higher.

    Now I agree that the perceived brightness from 250 to 450 is certainly not doubled to the naked eye. However for the sake of advertising and keeping within the numbers game that manufacturer play with consumers, it is safe to say that a 450 nit LCD is almost double the brightness of a 250 nit LCD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tft_lcd_org View Post
    Again, not entirely true. Although the first part of your statement may be correct when discussing ambient lighting, an LCD's perceived brightness increase doesn't always come from back light increases.
    An LCD that is optically enhanced with transflective films does not require a back light increase to appear brighter to the user. Therefore, my comment on 250 nits to 450 nits being almost double is correct as far as advertised specs. go. The brightness value, as measured by a photometer, is in fact more than 50% higher. It is close to 100% higher.

    Now I agree that the perceived brightness from 250 to 450 is certainly not doubled to the naked eye. However for the sake of advertising and keeping within the numbers game that manufacturer play with consumers, it is safe to say that a 450 nit LCD is almost double the brightness of a 250 nit LCD.
    Sorry, I did not want to mislead the masses into believing the screen would look 2x brighter. I wasn't arguing how it was brighter, simply stating that it is brighter. I also noticed that MP3car store advertises it as being 50% brighter as well, seems like they are giving a better definition to me. So yes it is nearly 2x brighter spec wise, however your perception of it will only be about 1.5x brighter...
    You can look at it the way you want, but I'd rather put it in terms that a normal person can understand, hence the OP's request for "layman's terms." If i didn't get my B.S. in engineering, I wouldn't have the slightest clue what a nit, lux, or cd/m^2 was, so someone telling me in simple terms would make sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by custom90gt View Post
    Sorry, I did not want to mislead the masses into believing the screen would look 2x brighter. I wasn't arguing how it was brighter, simply stating that it is brighter. I also noticed that MP3car store advertises it as being 50% brighter as well, seems like they are giving a better definition to me. So yes it is nearly 2x brighter spec wise, however your perception of it will only be about 1.5x brighter...
    You can look at it the way you want, but I'd rather put it in terms that a normal person can understand, hence the OP's request for "layman's terms." If i didn't get my B.S. in engineering, I wouldn't have the slightest clue what a nit, lux, or cd/m^2 was, so someone telling me in simple terms would make sense to me.
    Well, your BS certainly didn't help when you made this statement:

    The EBY701 is a very entry display. The contrast ratio on it isn't very good and the viewing angles aren't the best either. I've seen a couple and I was put off by them, I defiantly do not recommend it.
    The 629 made some improvements to the EBY701, but its viewing angles are still not very good (the contrast and brightness are great however).


    You didn't mention what version of the 701 you saw (ccfl vs. led) but considering you only went by advertised specs and not real world experience to slam one over the other, I don't think you can even give the OP a good answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin325 View Post
    $249 - 7" Lilliput EBY701
    $299 - 7" Lilliput 629GL-70NP/C/T
    $299 - 7" Lilliput 669GL-70NP/C/T VGA HDMI DVI
    $324 - 7" Lilliput 669GL-70NP/C/T-HB-RV HDMI DVI
    $724 - 7" Lilliput 669GL-70NP/C/T (Sunlight Readable)

    I've researched and found soem very technical info on the differences betweem these, but I was wondering if someone could explain to me in lehmans terms.

    If I go with the EBY701 to save about $50 will I be kicking myself later?

    What is the diff between the 629 and the 669?

    Someone just tell me which one is better!

    Thanks!
    First, sorry for jacking your thread to argue with someone over nonsense.

    To answer your question honestly:

    If you are on a budget, and want to try the whole car PC thing before investing a lot of $$, then the 701 is a good choice. It is the same as the 629 except for the housing. Unless you really like the looks of the 629, save the cash. Use it for other areas of your build.

    If you feel you are going to be in this for the long haul, go with a 669. Having the HDMI/DVI is a good thing, especially down the road when VGA goes away (2014 from what I hear).

    Good luck with your PC build, and don't be afraid to spend a lot of time reading the FAQ's. You will learn a lot more from that area than you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by tft_lcd_org View Post
    Well, your BS certainly didn't help when you made this statement:

    The EBY701 is a very entry display. The contrast ratio on it isn't very good and the viewing angles aren't the best either. I've seen a couple and I was put off by them, I defiantly do not recommend it.
    The 629 made some improvements to the EBY701, but its viewing angles are still not very good (the contrast and brightness are great however).


    You didn't mention what version of the 701 you saw (ccfl vs. led) but considering you only went by advertised specs and not real world experience to slam one over the other, I don't think you can even give the OP a good answer.

    So lemme get this straight. I've seen 2 701s in person and I thought they sucked because they were both very dim and hard to read from extreme angles. I didn't ask which versions they were, as I was not aware they made different lighting sources. My guess is you weren't either and you just stumbled on this since you didn't bring it up in the first place. So in my experience, would I order one after what I've seen? Not only no, but heck no.
    I've never seen a 629, so what I did was went by the manufacturers specs. What a foreign concept, to go by the specifications that the manufacturer puts out to determine differences in models? Holy cow, how could I do such a thing? I was putting specs in terms that an average joe could understand. If you have some "hard proof" please post it, instead of trying to insult me.


    Quote Originally Posted by tft_lcd_org View Post
    If you are on a budget, and want to try the whole car PC thing before investing a lot of $$, then the 701 is a good choice. It is the same as the 629 except for the housing. Unless you really like the looks of the 629, save the cash. Use it for other areas of your build.
    This would be worthwhile information, if this is really true, I'd like to see something to back this statement up. It would make sense that in latter models you would have the same screens to minimize costs, but usually you change the model numbers.

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