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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyRacer0013 View Post
    The above calcs are with 5 USB devices, but I'm thinking about powering the stuff for the VM on a hub and giving control of the hub to the VM. If I do that I will only be powering, 3ish devices of mobo power. Oh, and I don't plan on running any USB only monitors, only the standard VGA / DVI / HDMI monitors (with USB for touch control) AND one or two USB graphics cards. But all of this stuff is just theory, until I get my hands on the hardware...

    ... Then it's play time!!!
    HUH? You can do that with VM? I honestly never knew that. I thought Windows Multipoint server only had that feature! What VM software you plan to use that has that ability. In Virtual Box, I dont recall it even recognizing hubs, only the actual devices.

    Your fine with a Quad Core.... Infact you could even do a Tri Core and it would still be plenty fast. Not sure if they make a Tri Core with the new APU chipsets. You want to know the best thing to do? Someone correct me if im wrong, but buy a 250 watt desktop PSU. They are relatively cheap, then get your system together and try it on that PSU. If the system runs then you know its ok to use the M4-ATX, which is also 250 watts. Basically try to match a desktop PSU to the stats of the M4-ATX. When I built my Phenom II system, I tried it with a 350 watt PSU and it didnt work correctly. When I replaced the PSU with a 550 watt version, the system ran flawlessly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    HUH? You can do that with VM? I honestly never knew that. I thought Windows Multipoint server only had that feature! What VM software you plan to use that has that ability. In Virtual Box, I dont recall it even recognizing hubs, only the actual devices.
    I haven't played with VM software recently, but as I recall VMware also supports this feature (by forwarding the onboard port to the VM).

    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    Your fine with a Quad Core.... Infact you could even do a Tri Core and it would still be plenty fast. Not sure if they make a Tri Core with the new APU chipsets. You want to know the best thing to do? Someone correct me if im wrong, but buy a 250 watt desktop PSU. They are relatively cheap, then get your system together and try it on that PSU. If the system runs then you know its ok to use the M4-ATX, which is also 250 watts. Basically try to match a desktop PSU to the stats of the M4-ATX. When I built my Phenom II system, I tried it with a 350 watt PSU and it didnt work correctly. When I replaced the PSU with a 550 watt version, the system ran flawlessly.
    Got a 250w PSU on the shelf a ready to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyRacer0013 View Post
    I haven't played with VM software recently, but as I recall VMware also supports this feature (by forwarding the onboard port to the VM).
    Well I hope your right, because if for some reason I can not get Multipoint to work, I have VM to fall back on. I have everything seperated in my system by hub. So station 1 has sound card, touchscreen, usb port, and keyboard. Same with stations 2-6.

    Got a 250w PSU on the shelf a ready to go
    So build it, see how it runs. Remember though to tax the system. It may work with the PSU till it stsarts drawing more power. On mine it would work but as soon as I strted to run VMs and or video, I'd get blue screens. Updating to 550 watts made that go away.
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    Feeling a little but I will play with VM stuff some today.

    EDIT: Here is a LINK to some stuff about VBox USB configuration, not sure how current it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyRacer0013 View Post
    The above calcs are with 5 USB devices, but I'm thinking about powering the stuff for the VM on a hub and giving control of the hub to the VM. If I do that I will only be powering, 3ish devices of mobo power. Oh, and I don't plan on running any USB only monitors, only the standard VGA / DVI / HDMI monitors (with USB for touch control) AND one or two USB graphics cards. But all of this stuff is just theory, until I get my hands on the hardware...

    ... Then it's play time!!!
    I'm running a Quad i7, 8GB ram, 3 internal HD's, and a 1GB Vid card all off an M4-ATX with no issues at all. Here are my specs:

    o Zotac H55-ITX Motherboard
    o Intel Core i7-875K Processor (2.93Ghz Quad)
    o Zalman Low Profile Cnps8000A CPU Cooler
    o Patriot G2 8GB Memory Kit
    o ATI Radeon HD 5570 Low Profile Graphics Card (because the CPU wonít support on-board video, 5570 is a low power draw performance card)
    o M4ATX Power Supply supplemented by DCDC-USB converters for the USB power draw
    o SSD Hard Drives
    o 2 Samsung 256GB
    o 1 Patriot 64GB
    o Win 7 Ult. x64


    The only USB device that I'm powering off the board itself is a BU-353 GPS. All other USB devices are either plugged into powered hubs or have their own power (Monitor, Uniden Scanner, etc). As long as you keep the USB devices to a minimum, you'll be fine with the M4-ATX.
    As a side note, all my components are powered through RigRunners so when I install components I put a Doc Wattson in-line DC Meter in line to check their consumption against what I have them fused for. I don't recall what the PC was drawing but I know it was well under the 25A fuse. If you'd like, I can check it again and report back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    most usb video devices use the display link drivers, and from what i understand, they have worked out most of the kinks on them. when usb screens first came out, there was a couple threads in the fe section about the usb screens not updating the image correctly, but i haven't seen anything like that for a while.. even some of the older screens that had choppy video have seemed to been corrected-- the video plays quite well on them.

    of note-- i have a middle-aged usb screen that i play with occasionally, and the biggest issue i have is that you cannot transfer a playing video between screens. they might have corrected this in the most recent driver update, but i have not attempted it so far(i'm running driver 3.0 something, their up to 5.0 something now).. otherwise, i have been pretty happy with my screen for what it is(the super glossy touch screen bothers me)
    Another thing to note about USB monitors is that they are driver dependent.... meaning that you won't get any video until the driver loads. This may not be an issue, or may only seem like a small one but I started with a USB monitor just to dev my system out..... After making some changes in the OS, I wasn't getting any video and I went on and on troubleshooting. Turns out that it was stuck at the Boot prompt and wanted a user-input. I only figured this out after I connected a VGA monitor. Basically, you won't get any POST/Bios display with a USB monitor. It's up to you to decide if that's important to you or not (but it was for me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shizzlehappens View Post
    I'm running a Quad i7, 8GB ram, 3 internal HD's, and a 1GB Vid card all off an M4-ATX with no issues at all. Here are my specs:

    o Zotac H55-ITX Motherboard
    o Intel Core i7-875K Processor (2.93Ghz Quad)
    o Zalman Low Profile Cnps8000A CPU Cooler
    o Patriot G2 8GB Memory Kit
    o ATI Radeon HD 5570 Low Profile Graphics Card (because the CPU wonít support on-board video, 5570 is a low power draw performance card)
    o M4ATX Power Supply supplemented by DCDC-USB converters for the USB power draw
    o SSD Hard Drives
    o 2 Samsung 256GB
    o 1 Patriot 64GB
    o Win 7 Ult. x64


    The only USB device that I'm powering off the board itself is a BU-353 GPS. All other USB devices are either plugged into powered hubs or have their own power (Monitor, Uniden Scanner, etc). As long as you keep the USB devices to a minimum, you'll be fine with the M4-ATX.
    As a side note, all my components are powered through RigRunners so when I install components I put a Doc Wattson in-line DC Meter in line to check their consumption against what I have them fused for. I don't recall what the PC was drawing but I know it was well under the 25A fuse. If you'd like, I can check it again and report back.
    Thanks I'm not expecting any problems with power supplies.

    As a side note, my main tower went down today, so I wont be able to test much in the way or VM stuff till I get it fixed
    Enter the LOTUS...
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    Pre-build thread


    Planning: ::::::::::::
    Parts: ::::::::::::
    Build: ::::::::::::
    Test: ::::::::::::
    Install: ::::::::::::

    Oh, yeah, and build the car... ::::::::::::

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    Yea, I read the instructions. It seems to be that you can assign devices, not ports. I am going to make Multipoint work, it just seems much easier.
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    Alright, let me know how it works out. I think I might be out for awhile, life's been kicking my a** lately...
    Enter the LOTUS...
    (more info here)


    Pre-build thread


    Planning: ::::::::::::
    Parts: ::::::::::::
    Build: ::::::::::::
    Test: ::::::::::::
    Install: ::::::::::::

    Oh, yeah, and build the car... ::::::::::::

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyRacer0013 View Post
    Alright, let me know how it works out. I think I might be out for awhile, life's been kicking my a** lately...
    I hear you on that. Be glad you dont have my body. I have so many health issues. Im surprised Im not the walking dead yet. Im not close enough to do my testing yet. I still need a battery, then three more screens. For audio I still need my amps. I am way farther then I was before though.
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