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    Alternitive to X86 systems.

    Lets see.. Where to start.. Oh I know! I know nothing about electronics, and I am trying to make a few things that I need to beable to find information on, or at least get advice on. I want to make a system using like a RISC, or something, like from http://www.linuxdevices.com, like PC/104 or something.. I want something that has like no boot time, and uses like no voltage.. I wanna rip apart a hand held computer and call it good.. LOL. I also want to make a Body Control Module. I want to beable to turn on some LEDs when i open the door, or flash certain lights etc. I wanna beable to make something like that, to say I accomplished it. Im 17, and stuff, so I have lots of time, and I am gonna be getting another job, and am buying a Mitsubishi Galant, if I can find one thats in my price range.. LOL but Anyways.. Thanks for reading..

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    Eeeek.. I massacred the spelling....

    LOL its like 3 am, and I dont have the best spelling and grammar at this time of night.. err.. morning.. Oh hell.. lol... anyways..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbraddoc
    Lets see.. Where to start.. Oh I know! I know nothing about electronics, and I am trying to make a few things that I need to beable to find information on, or at least get advice on. I want to make a system using like a RISC, or something, like from http://www.linuxdevices.com, like PC/104 or something.. I want something that has like no boot time, and uses like no voltage.. I wanna rip apart a hand held computer and call it good.. LOL. I also want to make a Body Control Module. I want to beable to turn on some LEDs when i open the door, or flash certain lights etc. I wanna beable to make something like that, to say I accomplished it. Im 17, and stuff, so I have lots of time, and I am gonna be getting another job, and am buying a Mitsubishi Galant, if I can find one thats in my price range.. LOL but Anyways.. Thanks for reading..
    Maybe you should wait for the nano-itx to come. 12cm x 12cm is very small plus it's a native x86 @ 1GHz and will save you from the headache of implementing something that is not standard.
    Just a though....

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    But i have a mini ITX.

    LOL I have a mini itx mobo I can wire in the trunk.. but.. I want something that is low heat, something that runs all the time, and you can notice the drop in the battery.. LOL.. but I want something that i can also use as a body control module.. So, is there any good guides on how to uses microcontrollers.. etc.. Cause I want something like the BCM in a chrysler cirrus, that uses if / then programming. So like, when I hook a RFID reader up to the BCM, and the reader recognizes the tag, it will flash some leds, and flash the headlights twice, start the car, unlock the door, and move the seat into the entrance posistion with a seat memory controller. Then, when the BCM realizes the door is closed, put the seat into the preset posisition. ETC.. lol, its almost like forget the computer, I want to build the BCM, but what would be cool is integrate the BCM and the Display together. I want to use the Display etc, for Interfacing into the OBD-II, and display the car status. I would like to integrate like a cellphone, like get a motorola bagphone and wire it to the computer, and use it to make calls for like a gps, and update a phone book entry etc.. but yea....

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    Well you have some wild plans man

    This is not easy to be done. You'll need a wafer pc (embedded microcontollers are not enough for what you want to do) maybe a Geode GX1 @ 300MHz.
    Fanless, low-power (1A @ 12V !!!) and easy to program (x86).
    [See attachment]

    You can then interface to it a relay board and controll whatever you like
    (open/close circuits, A/C control, just about anything)

    Hope this helps


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    Well what does Delphi's onStar use? Is that a microcontroller? OR Is it a mini pc thingy.. Like, I have a DSC Security System, and it has an automation control board, and its like a board that has a microcontroller/processor, and the thing talks to you on the phone. I cant understand how something that small, can do that, yet my windows powered PC does that, but my iBook has Voice built into the OS, and stuff.. LOL anyways. Umm, like what if i used a pc/104 board, etc? or my mini itx i have.. but, is that gonna be low voltage, like if i leave it on all the time, will it drain the battery? etc? I dont want to have to wait for a boot time either, because.. I want something thats like a handheld that, when the button is pressed, its like instantly on.. lol... Thats basically what i want, thats why i was thinking like a risc, or something.. but yea.. lol..

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    ---- THIS IS A CORRECTION TO WHAT IS ABOVE ----
    Okay, what does Delphi/GM use in the onstar setup? I know that the Cellular Connection consists of a Motorola bag type phone that has a smaller board inside, and no rj-45 connector. If you put a regular bag phone cellular unit in its place, the unit does work. It eventually calls out. So what does Delphi use to control that? Oh I also know that it uses a Motorola encore GPS system. *is beginning to notice a trend with Delphi/Motorola.* But see, the Delphi system is interfaced into the engine, etc. See, what I am wanting is, like something, that doesnt have to have power, like I don't need mp3 playback. LOL I know this may be the wrong forum to post this in, but this is the only thing I could find that was remotely related. But, what I am wanting is maybe, GPS, but I also know that if I have GPS then I'm able to have MP3 playback. I would also like to find a cellular phone like kit thingy, that uses the CDMA band, that is made for computers. DSC has this thing, I don't know what it is, but its a cellular communicator. Its called LINKS. But, that is from canada, and they have a deal with, I think verizon. But it doesnt use a voice channel, it basically sends a couple of bits of information... so its like a pager? Yea.. lol.. but.. I am wondering if there is a cellular interface that I can install in the car.. But the computer is the last thing on my mind, because I want to build a Body Control Module type system.

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    Is the whole answer to this called 'Telematics'? .. *smacks forehead*

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    I think with OnStar most of the computational power is offloaded to servers that it calls into, all OnStar really does is relay your position via cellphone to thier central network. The things your talking about doing are usually built with budgets in the hundreds of thousands of dollars range with cooperation from the vehicle manufacture and years of research and development. Good Luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbraddoc
    Lets see.. Where to start.. Oh I know! I know nothing about electronics, and I am trying to make a few things that I need to beable to find information on, or at least get advice on.

    OK first step.
    Learn about electronics. What you are gonna try and do is going to require alot of techincal and electrical skills.

    Once you have that completed then you might have a better idea of what all is going to go into this.

    Best of luck to you and if you decide to do it...keep a worklog...I would love to see the progress on this project.

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