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    Saturn Ion vs Mazda 3 ?

    I'm in the market to purchase a new car. I'm torn between the 2005 Saturn Ion and the 2005 Mazda 3. I was wondering if any one out there could speak on carputering either model. I know the new Saturn Ion has an abnornal center gague console. If any one has some sucess stories (or horor stories) I'd appreciate it.

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    I own a 2004 Ion QC and man I love it. To be honest I was looking at the mazda 3 also. But I didn't make the choice for myself as my Ion was a surprise gift (that I have to pay for of course).

    Anyway, I think it was very easy to install the carputer in my Ion. The Ion has a double din opening that is very nice to fit the 7" lilliput in. I plan on molding mine in soon. I have pics up at this website but they don't do it any justice. I plan on taking some new ones this weekend.

    The car is pretty easily taken apart to run wires, install parts, etc. It also has a nice area for installing your head unit (if you choose to keep it.)

    Thats my take on the Ion, I have no experience with the mazda 3 so I can't help ya there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon-paul
    I'm in the market to purchase a new car. I'm torn between the 2005 Saturn Ion and the 2005 Mazda 3. I was wondering if any one out there could speak on carputering either model. I know the new Saturn Ion has an abnornal center gague console. If any one has some sucess stories (or horor stories) I'd appreciate it.

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    I was checking out Mazda3 for my gf and seeing the large and deep glove box made me think carputer The center console is not small either, and if my memory serves me right, there is plenty of area in between the front seats.
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    nappyjim has a mazda 3, why not ask him whathe thinks of it. He has the 2.3 litre. http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/members/nappyjim.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushnrockt
    I was checking out Mazda3 for my gf and seeing the large and deep glove box made me think carputer The center console is not small either, and if my memory serves me right, there is plenty of area in between the front seats.
    I noticed the glove box too when I was testdriving one - but I was still thinking of an xbox as a carputer at that time. I think you man disable the clock/display in the middle if the headunit it pulled, so that may be a downside for the mazda3. On the upside, however, you can drive around singing zoom-zoom-zoom! Personally, I am waiting to see the new 2006 Scions - as the xA and xB are no more.

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    Test drive them. SCC drove the Ion and said that its basically utter ****.
    And it would be more if GM's engineers had more time. Check out the dyno chart. The engine crashes into its rev limiter at 6450 rpm while it's still building power. Rick Kewley, vehicle performance manager, high-performance vehicle operation, GM Performance Division (holy titles, Batman!), says this is because the engine hasn't been durability tested above that engine speed. Which is another problem Rick inherited from the original ION boneheads. He gives the same excuse for reducing boost slightly at high rpm. The supercharger is actually spinning fast enough to produce more boost, but the ECU opens the bypass valve slightly to keep peak cylinder pressures down at levels GM has already proven it can handle.

    That limiter combines with a too-tall second gear and that lethargic tach needle to sabotage what could be a fun engine. It certainly makes good power, but as it's set up, it's nearly impossible to drive hard without running into the limiter. We're told the limiter will be softened after the car's first year, but it will remain at 6450 rpm.

    What the engine really needs is another 500 to 700 rpm. It would increase its overall output, and keep the engine from falling below 4000 rpm on the 1-2 shift, which is where it really starts making grunt. As it is now, it does fall below 4000 rpm on that gear change due to the gearing in the Red Line's transmission, and gear spacing that's mismatched to the blown Ecotec's power curve.

    At the dragstrip, the tall gearing really hurts the car's performance. It's a heavy car at 2,960 pounds, but with nearly 200 hp at the wheels, it should be quicker than it is. We managed 0-to-60 mph in 7.1 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.3 at 94.5 mph. And we know the gearing is at fault, because the car runs through the traps in third gear. A limited-slip differential would also help. Kewley says his team is working on one.
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    My friend originally wanted the mazda 3. He test drove it, said it sucked. Got a toyota solara instead.

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    Are a solar and a mazda 3 in the same price range? When i was selling cars they werent. But hey its been like a year things could change.

    If i was looking at a Scion i would check out the TC. It comes with a 2.4l with a 160 hp. Dont know the torq rating though. Has a dual din radio with a stock cover for it. If you could find a way to mount a screen without modding the dash that cover would make an awsome theft deterant. And to the best part. It has a roof that is almost all glass. Cant remember if it had dual sun roofs like the malibu max or not. Think it did though. I only saw it once before they were even released yet.

    Plus all the scion models are hitting the tuner scene in full force. You can get this thing stock with cold air intake. Not to mention all the aftermaket parts that will be out for it. Should also be coming out with the VVTI engine. Basically the same as a Honda VTEC. Wish it had the VVTLI that comes on the celcia. maybe that will be an option on the 2006 scions

    just my 2 but im a biased toyota owner

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    Get a 3rd gen Saturn SC2. Those things look hot on the outside, and with nice leather interior they look good inside too. The interior is somewhat cheap, but very easy to put a carputer in without making much mess. It's not **** fast, but it's a quick enough car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l
    Test drive them. SCC drove the Ion and said that its basically utter ****.

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    My friend originally wanted the mazda 3. He test drove it, said it sucked. Got a toyota solara instead.
    I am going to make a wild guess here (not really) and assume that you are talking about Ion Redline. Seems like your source is not quite as heavy footed as Card & Driver guys that managed to wrestly 6.1 second 0-60 out of it and a 1/4 mile at 14.7. A hell of a discrepency. You sure it wasn't a test-rig with a burnt out clutch?
    As far as Mazda3, it really does not compete with Solara in any way, shape or form (or price). After VWs, it has the best interior of any compact car (personal experience, I got to sit in all of those while my gf was shopping for a car). The ride in Mazda3 was complian and comfortable, not as sporty as that in the Focus, but better than Civic/Corolla. The base engine had decent acceleration, better than any other compact save again for Focus. But then Focus got its load of problems, being cheaply made is a big one of them.
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