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    You got it, Shakes. Riding a motorcycle is an inherently dangerous proposition for the rider. I'm not aware of any statistics that support the argument that motorcycles cause more deaths or injuries to pedestrians or other drivers.

    The issue is whether or not the act of watching a video while simultaneously operating an automobile renders you more, or less, likely to cause an accident. It really isn't related to your own judgement of whether you can/are safe when driving. Otherwise, we'd all be able to perform our own automotive safety inspections and apply differing standards based on what we were comfortable with. And in a similar vein, our own standards for licensing ourselves to operate a motor vehicle.

    Given recent research that indicates that even speaking on a cell phone with hands free equipment is less safe than not speaking on a cell phone, I find it difficult to believe watching a video and driving at the same time is equivalent to not watching one and driving.

    We all know everyone here is an individual and is gonna do what they're gonna do. Just give it some deep thought and consider how you might explain to a pedestrian's relative that you didn't see them step out in front of your car. That's a tough one even if you're not watching a show.
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    If a person gets into an accident while on the cell phone, he/she will automatically get blamed for the accident regardless of whether it was true or not. The same if someone rear ends another car. Again, it does not mean they were at fault but they will get blamed first and have to go through much expense and wasted time to prove otherwise. Legal or not, having a video being played in front of your eye while driving is a distraction and you will be blamed for any accident you get into. And I bet your insurance company will not like you much after that either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte
    You got it, Shakes. Riding a motorcycle is an inherently dangerous proposition for the rider. I'm not aware of any statistics that support the argument that motorcycles cause more deaths or injuries to pedestrians or other drivers.

    The issue is whether or not the act of watching a video while simultaneously operating an automobile renders you more, or less, likely to cause an accident. It really isn't related to your own judgement of whether you can/are safe when driving. Otherwise, we'd all be able to perform our own automotive safety inspections and apply differing standards based on what we were comfortable with. And in a similar vein, our own standards for licensing ourselves to operate a motor vehicle.

    Given recent research that indicates that even speaking on a cell phone with hands free equipment is less safe than not speaking on a cell phone, I find it difficult to believe watching a video and driving at the same time is equivalent to not watching one and driving.

    We all know everyone here is an individual and is gonna do what they're gonna do. Just give it some deep thought and consider how you might explain to a pedestrian's relative that you didn't see them step out in front of your car. That's a tough one even if you're not watching a show.
    I totally agree. The reason I don't take my eyes off the road to operate my car pc is because I know I wouldn't be able to live with myself if this hobby ended up in me killing someone due to a momentary lapse of concentration on the road ahead.

    The additional fact it's been built by yourself rather than fitted at the factory or by an audio installer will only give weight to the prosection's case if the car pc is to blame in the event of an accident, and you might even face two prosections, one for breaking motor regulations by fitting it and another for the manslaughter or murder.

    I understand the point of view that I am an individual, who is capable of making decisions about my own ability to concentrate on the road and someone else, and to some extent agree with it. However other road users already have to rely on your judgement for speed, looking for traffic and otherwise driving safely and I don't think it's fair to subject them to your (or my) judgement when it comes to something that's plainly illegal, and viewed by the majority as not a good idea; especially when it could endangeour someones life.
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    Wow.
    Thats alot of opinion and not that much fact.

    I'm willing to stipulate that it is very dangerous to be doing 70 down the highway with 80% of your concentration on an LCD screen. I don't think any reasonable person would think that that is safe procedure.

    That being said, I do occasionally have a passenger for a long distance ride. I don't see that much danger in that person watching a movie on the center console while I drive.

    I have not been able to find any documentation (i.e. webpages, legal databases, etc) indicating that the act of having a movie playing within the drivers field of view is illegal in New Jersey. Though it would be, as one person mentioned, a very expensive lagal battle to fight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fantomas
    it will be considered as a distraction to the driver. don't do it.
    Everythings a distraction to the driver. This kid got pulled over for having a necklace with the guy on the cross hanging from his mirror

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    Well, moving images on a screen are a distraction the cops will argue
    Quote Originally Posted by jon-paul
    Wow.
    Thats alot of opinion and not that much fact.

    I'm willing to stipulate that it is very dangerous to be doing 70 down the highway with 80% of your concentration on an LCD screen. I don't think any reasonable person would think that that is safe procedure.

    That being said, I do occasionally have a passenger for a long distance ride. I don't see that much danger in that person watching a movie on the center console while I drive.

    I have not been able to find any documentation (i.e. webpages, legal databases, etc) indicating that the act of having a movie playing within the drivers field of view is illegal in New Jersey. Though it would be, as one person mentioned, a very expensive lagal battle to fight.


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    i was driving behind a person with a lcd type h/u the other night and could see the lcd display reflected perfectly in his window. I believe the windows were even tinted.
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    Simply, the fact is that is perfectly same to assume that driving with a video playing is simlpy illegal. In some rare locations, this may be different.

    Personally, I don't see the need to drive with the vide. Sure I've showed it to passangers, but quite frankly, if your driving, you really don't have time to glance at a screen for even two seconds. If you do, u might as well just caused an accident. I don't know about you guys, but just switching menu's is enough of a distraction while driving on the highway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon-paul
    Wow.
    Thats alot of opinion and not that much fact.
    From he National Highway Transportation Safety Administration site

    NHTSA Policy and FAQs on Cellular Phone Use While Driving
    Policy Statement

    The primary responsibility of the driver is to operate a motor vehicle safely. The task of driving requires full attention and focus. Cell phone use can distract drivers from this task, risking harm to themselves and others. Therefore, the safest course of action is to refrain from using a cell phone while driving.
    Frequently Asked Questions

    Q. Does cell phone use while driving cause traffic crashes?

    A. Research shows that driving while using a cell phone can pose a serious cognitive distraction and degrade driver performance. The data are insufficient to quantify crashes caused by cell phone use specifically, but NHTSA estimates that driver distraction from all sources contributes to 25 percent of all police-reported traffic crashes.

    Q. Is it safe to use hands-free (headset, speakerphone, or other device) cell phones while driving?

    A. The available research indicates that whether it is a hands-free or hand-held cell phone, the cognitive distraction is significant enough to degrade a driverís performance. This can cause a driver to miss key visual and audio cues needed to avoid a crash.

    Q. In an emergency should I use my cell phone while driving?

    A. As a general rule, drivers should make every effort to move to a safe place off of the road before using a cell phone. However, in emergency situations a driver must use their judgment regarding the urgency of the situation and the necessity to use a cell phone while driving.

    Q. Is NHTSA conducting further research to better quantify the safety impact of using cell phones while driving?

    A. NHTSA is conducting research projects on driver cell phone use and will continue to monitor the research of others on this subject. As we learn more about the impact of cell phone use on driver performance and crash risk, and as wireless technologies evolve and expand, NHTSA will make its findings public.

    Q. Is talking on a cell phone any worse than having a conversation with someone in the car?

    A. Any activity a driver engages while driving has the potential to distract the driver from the primary task of driving. Some research findings comparing cell phone use to passenger conversations while driving, show each to be equally risky, while others show cell phone use to be more risky. A significant difference between the two is the fact that a passenger can monitor the driving situation along with the driver and pause for, or alert the driver to, potential hazards, whereas a person on the other end of the phone line is unaware of the roadway situation.

    Q. What do the studies say about the relative risk of cell phone use when compared to other tasks like eating or drinking?

    A. The current research does not provide a definitive answer as to which behavior is riskier. In a controlled study, comparing eating and operating a voice-activated cell phone to continuously operating a CD player, it was found that the CD player operation was more distracting than the other activities. In a test track study conducted by NHTSA, the results showed that manual dialing was about as distracting as grooming/eating, but less distracting than reading or changing CDs. It is also important to keep in mind that some activities are carried out more frequently and for longer periods of time and may result in greater risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon-paul
    Can anyone speak to the legality of watching movies in a dash mounted display, particularly with respect to New Jersey?

    well to answer his question, it's perfectly legal... as long as you're not driving and the e-brake is up.
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