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    Not noob, research done. Final approval.

    I am a former computer tech, and have been playing around with computers for about 10 years now. I know my way around a computer, and am fairly good at troubleshooting/fixing computers. I am also a bit of a car enthusiast. I just want to plan out everything I have/want, to see what everyone else thinks of it.

    I am not a noob, so dont call me one. I have not made a carputer before, but I figure its not impossible for someone like me.

    Carputer/componants:
    Epia500m? the 533mhz fanless motherboard. with surround sound. I would go higher end for this, but I bought this board about 1 1/2 years ago, when they were $200 or so. I dont want to see it go to waste.

    pci to pcmcia converter with over motherboard riser card, along with a laptop wireless card using cellphone networks for unlimited high speed internet access, and a free slot. The free slot will probably go for a wireless lan card, depending on how it turns out.

    usb keyboard, mouse/trackball, possibly gps(debateable at this time)

    Laptop 2.5" hard drive (size indetermined at current point), slim slot load (if plausable)cdrw/dvd read combo drive, both with adaptars.

    small fan to ventilate fanless pc (better safe then sorry)

    dstx(?) 200watt power supply, along with a/multipul accesorry power supplies. Quick question, this will work as an adiquate startup/shutdown controller correct?

    USB hubs, X3, one in the glove box, one under motherboard, in radio din, and one in the center console/backseat area.

    a/Several usb 2.5" hard drive enclosures, for easy, quick removal/addition of files.

    256 mb of ram. This *should* be pleanty for the carputer, but time will tell, and it isnt alot of cost, considering that I have it just laying around.

    Software:
    Windows 2000 (I am using this, pretty much no matter what so bite me)

    front end, unknown. I will get to this after I have everything all together.

    Car mods:
    alt upgrade. Either single 200amp conversion, or ac removed, and dual 130 amp alts installed, depending on cash flow at the time.

    00 guage wires, ran from front to back, to second battery in the trunk for subs/sound system.

    3-5(hopefully 5, depends on how much room in the doors) 6X9's, 2 6" midbass, 2 3.5" tweeters, anything as far as subs go, depend on cashflow. Cheap will be 2 10", expensive will be custom designed 5-6 sub system, made for sound quality, shooting for a good sound. Compleatly FUNCTIONAL surround sound.

    Lots and lots of dyno matt or acceptable sound deadiner.

    I have plenty of room in the interior of the car.

    adaptable for up to 4 din slots, and the clock in the top can go as well
    http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/atta...1&d=1120787016
    and a nice big trunk
    http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/atta...1&d=1120787261
    Screen:
    I plan on experimenting with a "3 in 1" XGA/VGA, tv/rca input, fm tuner, for the monitor. If it dosent work out, I will finally have a tv for the bedroom, and will go with a xenarc vga monitor.


    Basically tell me what you like/dont like about this set up.
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    Carputer/componants:
    Epia500m? the 533mhz fanless motherboard. with surround sound.
    It is a nice lower power cool running motherboard, but I think you lose any possibility of mpeg playback. I don't have one, but that's what I remember from my research.

    pci to pcmcia converter with over motherboard riser card, along with a laptop wireless card using cellphone networks for unlimited high speed internet access, and a free slot. The free slot will probably go for a wireless lan card, depending on how it turns out.
    You might have problems with both of them fitting in the slots at the same time. But it depends on the card size and layout. Unless your ports are spaced a little.

    usb keyboard, mouse/trackball, possibly gps(debateable at this time)

    Laptop 2.5" hard drive (size indetermined at current point), slim slot load (if plausable)cdrw/dvd read combo drive, both with adaptars.

    small fan to ventilate fanless pc (better safe then sorry)
    All sounds pretty good. Except the mouse, come on man, touchscreen!

    dstx(?) 200watt power supply, along with a/multipul accesorry power supplies. Quick question, this will work as an adiquate startup/shutdown controller correct?
    I don't know, from what I read it sounds like a pretty good power supply, but as for the wattage, you might wanna try some of the calculators around here to figure out the total wattage of the system.

    USB hubs, X3, one in the glove box, one under motherboard, in radio din, and one in the center console/backseat area.

    a/Several usb 2.5" hard drive enclosures, for easy, quick removal/addition of files.
    All good here.

    256 mb of ram. This *should* be pleanty for the carputer, but time will tell, and it isnt alot of cost, considering that I have it just laying around.
    Again, I think this is a little on the low side. I would say 512 is the minimum, but go nuts, you'll see how much you need for what are are planning to do with it.

    Software:
    Windows 2000 (I am using this, pretty much no matter what so bite me)
    If there was a little smiley biting another one I would use it. OS doesn't really matter to me, so use whatever you want.

    front end, unknown. I will get to this after I have everything all together.

    Car mods:
    alt upgrade. Either single 200amp conversion, or ac removed, and dual 130 amp alts installed, depending on cash flow at the time.

    00 guage wires, ran from front to back, to second battery in the trunk for subs/sound system.

    3-5(hopefully 5, depends on how much room in the doors) 6X9's, 2 6" midbass, 2 3.5" tweeters, anything as far as subs go, depend on cashflow. Cheap will be 2 10", expensive will be custom designed 5-6 sub system, made for sound quality, shooting for a good sound. Compleatly FUNCTIONAL surround sound.

    Lots and lots of dyno matt or acceptable sound deadiner.
    That all sounds well and good. As for the dynamat, do you have a special feeling for the stuff, or are you just thinking you need sound damping? If you don't care what you use, there are plenty of substitutes out there that are cheaper. Peel 'n Seal is one of them. I used it, great stuff. Cheap too. There was some other stuff out there too available from Master Carr.

    Overall I give your planned system something like a B. You could go higher on certain components, but I don't really know how much power you are going to need unless you say "I wanna play DVDs for 24 hours a day!" or "I wanna built an embedded Linux rig for strictly MP3 play" So go nuts, and report back on the progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiltjim
    It is a nice lower power cool running motherboard, but I think you lose any possibility of mpeg playback. I don't have one, but that's what I remember from my research.
    as far as the mpeg playback goes, it should be fine, I have a 233 with 32 megs of ram that I had a dvd player on for years, I remember upgrading to windows 98 so I could use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiltjim
    You might have problems with both of them fitting in the slots at the same time. But it depends on the card size and layout. Unless your ports are spaced a little.
    For this, I was planning on an acutal seperate encloser, one that could go into a 3.5/5.25 bay. That way it would be a controller card with wires.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiltjim
    All sounds pretty good. Except the mouse, come on man, touchscreen!
    touch screens are overrated. No j/k, I can see where I would want one, but I have three little sisters and a little brother that all regularly get driven around in this car. I dont want them touching nothing that will break easy. I think I will just find a touchpad or a trackball.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiltjim
    I don't know, from what I read it sounds like a pretty good power supply, but as for the wattage, you might wanna try some of the calculators around here to figure out the total wattage of the system.
    I am really really lazy, I should be able to stay under the peak, with the extra accessories power supplies, I should be okay with a 90 watt I think. I will look into it I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiltjim
    Again, I think this is a little on the low side. I would say 512 is the minimum, but go nuts, you'll see how much you need for what are are planning to do with it.
    I litterly have 256 laying around, and for a 533 mhz computer, I dont see how any more then 256 will benifit it. I have lots of older slower computers, there more or less my specialty. The computer I am on now is a 550mhz with 64 megs of ram, and it can do everything that my carputer will need to. I also thought about puting my main computer in there, and it is a p2 overclocked to 300mhz with 96 megs of ram. Compaired to that, this computer will fly.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiltjim
    That all sounds well and good. As for the dynamat, do you have a special feeling for the stuff, or are you just thinking you need sound damping? If you don't care what you use, there are plenty of substitutes out there that are cheaper. Peel 'n Seal is one of them. I used it, great stuff. Cheap too. There was some other stuff out there too available from Master Carr.
    I am not quite there yet,... So we will have to see. Dynomat, I have heard alot of good things from, but I could go either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiltjim
    Overall I give your planned system something like a B. You could go higher on certain components, but I don't really know how much power you are going to need unless you say "I wanna play DVDs for 24 hours a day!" or "I wanna built an embedded Linux rig for strictly MP3 play" So go nuts, and report back on the progress.
    Once again, I have had computers round the 200mhz mark that could play full screen dvd's at 1600x1200 with a 2 meg video card and 32 megs ram. If this computer wont play it, it is the equivilent of a 133mhz or lower.

    By the way, thanks alot for that. that is exactly the types of things I need ot know.
    Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    I am not a noob, so dont call me one. I have not made a carputer before, but I figure its not impossible for someone like me.
    Nobody said you were a "noob",it looks like you've done some research,and know pretty much what you want.Hell,if I can build one anyone can

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    Carputer/componants:
    Epia500m? the 533mhz fanless motherboard.
    Not bad,but it may not have enough grunt for dvd,and definitely not for divx.
    What kind of case are you making/buying,and where do you want to put it?
    Maybe in the dash ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    Laptop 2.5" hard drive (size indetermined at current point), slim slot load (if plausable)cdrw/dvd read combo drive, both with adaptars.
    You can go 2.5,but 3.5's are cheaper,if your power supply has enough juice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    small fan to ventilate fanless pc (better safe then sorry)
    I agree,you never can go wrong with too much cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    USB hubs, X3, one in the glove box, one under motherboard, in radio din, and one in the center console/backseat area.
    Why so many?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    a/Several usb 2.5" hard drive enclosures, for easy, quick removal/addition of files.
    One should be enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    Car mods:
    alt upgrade. Either single 200amp conversion, or ac removed, and dual 130 amp alts installed, depending on cash flow at the time.
    I like the single higher amp alternator idea much better,as you'll regret not having a/c when you need it.Isn't the point of having a carputer and music making your drive more enjoyable? Removing one creature comfort for another is going backwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    00 guage wires, ran from front to back, to second battery in the trunk for subs/sound system.
    0 Gauge wire,and a second battery? Seems like a bit of overkill and money,unless you are going for a db contest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    3-5(hopefully 5, depends on how much room in the doors) 6X9's, 2 6" midbass, 2 3.5" tweeters, anything as far as subs go, depend on cashflow. Cheap will be 2 10", expensive will be custom designed 5-6 sub system, made for sound quality, shooting for a good sound. Compleatly FUNCTIONAL surround sound.
    If you're going for a sq setup,a single sealed sub,a set of component speakers for front and rear will sound much better IMO,just remember to play with their placement until you have a nice stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    Screen:
    I plan on experimenting with a "3 in 1" XGA/VGA, tv/rca input, fm tuner, for the monitor.
    What brand,size,and how are you planning to mount it?
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    A suggestion on the build. This is independant of your hardware choices.

    Build it completely on a bench/desk in the house. Install all the hardware/drivers and make it work the way you want with a full size keyboard/mouse/monitor.

    Run it for several days this way to male sure it is set up the way you want.

    Then test it on the seat of the car with the DC power supply. If it still does everything the way you want do the car install.

    Some of the most frustrating times are related to an issue that is easy to fix out of the car but found after the hardware is in the car.

    Good luck and welcome to the board.

    (it is nice to see a new person that does research first)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haystack
    Not noob, research done. Final approval.
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    I am not a noob, so dont call me one.
    Does anyone BUT a newbie (maybe n00b, maybe not) say something like this. ...TWICE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckinMP3
    Then test it on the seat of the car with the DC power supply. If it still does everything the way you want do the car install.

    Some of the most frustrating times are related to an issue that is easy to fix out of the car but found after the hardware is in the car.
    I second that! Build, try it out on the bench, then transfer it to the car, try it there, THEN install. It can save you a lot of hassle.

    Sounds like you have the computer part nailed and if you run into problems you can fix them yourself. Good luck with the install and I'm interested in how well that 3 in 1 monitor works. Make sure you post up a worklog!
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    as far as the pc spec's, I think if you are very knowledgable about controlling your processes & don't bloat the system, you should be functional... you are a self proclaimed pro at running slower pc's, so you know how to handle that I guess.... I wouldn't waste my time personally with a system this slow because I know it would frustrate me to no end, but that's me, not you....

    as far as your audio plans I don't know how much of an audiophile you are, judging by your plans I'd say not too much..... 3-5 6X9's is rediculous to me, & your talking about sound quality & surround, but your spec.ing equipt that is more for spl & boom, not that you can't have both, but that's a really ambishous goal....

    surround in the truest sense is almost impossible in a car with exceptions like alpines demo vehicle.... sure you can add a center channel to anything really, but when your talking about audiophile sound quality you will not pull it off, period. the reasons for this are way to involved for me to start posting them here, & you may be happy with just a surround ambiance... depending on your ears & knowledge it may actually sound good to you, if that's good enough for you then go for it, but I wouldn't aproach the audio end of this equation anything like what your spec.ing.... that's just my opinion though, for whatever it's worth....

    good luck with your project....

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    I have never really played around too much with a sound system. The extent of my experiance has been a 4 inch sub and 5 1.5" speakers for my surround sound. I thought alot of the pull for surround sound was to make 5 speakers the same level. If that dosent matter too much then I will change it around alot. But like I said, I want to have a strong middle channel, that will not overpower then front and back. Maybe 3-5 6x9's is a bit much. Honestly, I think the sound portion is the only thing I dont know what I am doing.

    Let me do some research really quick, and I will let you know what I come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanshine
    Maybe in the dash ?
    I want to put the computer(motherboard) and maybe the cd drive in a din spaced slot. But we will have to see how it goes. Pretty much I am leaving this till very last, I dont consider it to be a major problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by seanshine
    why so many?
    One should be enough.
    I figure more is better. I just dont want to have to go out and buy more later, and I want to fit them several places in the car, so they are easily accesible.
    Quote Originally Posted by seanshine
    I like the single higher amp alternator idea much better,as you'll regret not having a/c when you need it.Isn't the point of having a carputer and music making your drive more enjoyable? Removing one creature comfort for another is going backwards.
    I dont care for ac too much. Year round, we go from -20 degrees to as high as 110. As bad a 110 sounds, its just as easy to roll down your window and drink a drink. Also, the faggot that I bought the car from cut the ac lines and bypassed it with a shorter belt anyways. Even still, on my other cougars, I have turned the ac on once each, when I bought the car, to make sure that it worked.
    Quote Originally Posted by seanshine
    0 Gauge wire,and a second battery? Seems like a bit of overkill and money,unless you are going for a db contest.
    More is better, I will probably even change it so that the batteries get charged seperately, like they do on rv's. Imagine popping you trunk and jumping yourself
    Quote Originally Posted by seanshine
    If you're going for a sq setup,a single sealed sub,a set of component speakers for front and rear will sound much better IMO,just remember to play with their placement until you have a nice stage.
    I will have to play with it, like you said, sounds like I have alot more research to go.
    Quote Originally Posted by seanshine
    What brand,size,and how are you planning to mount it?
    Honestly I dont know as of yet. just whatever I find
    Progress,.... that is what I keep forgetting ;)
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