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    Frustrated - need GOOD advice....

    I have a VIA 10000 Nehemiah board with 1 gig of memory and a netgear wireless card to "talk" to my home network. Right now I have it running on a workbench with a 17" lcd display.

    What I had hoped to accomplish was to have a CarPC that could play mp3, wav, and mpeg, divx videos. BIIIIG mistake! The audio files play very well, but video playback (while it is barely acceptable) has random "jerkiness" - either playing from the laptop hard drive or when I attach a DVD player to the system. I was lead to believe (through the VIA advertisements) that the 10000 played videos flawlessly, which obviously is not true.

    QUESTION 1: Does the extra speed of the VIA SP-13000 eliminate the jerkiness in the display when playing mpeg movies from a hard drive or from a DVD player?

    I want to use the on-board VIA S3 video - and _NOT_ have to use a separate video card for various reasons. I read what seems to be the worlds longest forum thread ("Quest for 800x480") and when finished I was more confused then when I started. Is there any way the VIA board can interface to a touch screen 7" or 8" display and have an excellent display. Those CarPCs I've seen where the owners are excited over the clarity of the display were strange. While the owners seemed to like the readability, most others thought the display was terrible at best.

    QUESTION 2: Is there a display, or new VIA video drivers, that will allow simply plugging in a vga cable and have crisp, readable text on the screen using the on-board chipset? If so, can you use good display rates - or are you stuck down around 60 hz?

    Power concerns: Using an Inverter, IMHO, seems like such a step backward, I would like to use a DC-DC power board - but one that has real voltage regulation on all the rails (i.e., not one where a part or all of the 12v side takes whatever is on the system bus, 12-14+ volts).

    QUESTION 3: Please name a _GOOD_ DC-DC power adapter board, please..

    Lastly, I'd like say thanks in advance to those providing knowledgeable information for someone new at the Carputer “game”. I’ve been especially frustrated by what should be a simple chore: running a VGA cable from the motherboard to a LCD display and have an excellent display.

    (I realize this post is probably not in the correct forum and would appreciate a moderator moving it to its proper place)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark9
    I was lead to believe (through the VIA advertisements) that the 10000 played videos flawlessly, which obviously is not true.
    What resolution are you trying to play the video at?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark9
    ("Quest for 800x480")
    The summary of that thread appeared to be you still **** out of luck (SOL).
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark9
    If so, can you use good display rates - or are you stuck down around 60 hz?
    60hz is a good display rate on an LCD. Why would you need higher? It's not like a CRT where 60hz has noticable flicker.
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    QUESTION 3: Please name a _GOOD_ DC-DC power adapter board, please..
    mp3car.com sells several. Take a look and see which meets your needs. The 220W one with built in SDC seem to be the best all round solution currently but is quite a hefty price to swallow. On the other hand, having tried it the hard way (built my own 12V DC-DC regulator, tank circuit and used the $50 plug in psu without 12V regulation), the price looks a lot more reasonable than it used to - even if my solution was quite a bit cheaper overall . 220W is pretty overkill for your setup though.
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    why is this in the FAQs???

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    1. I always thought the via had good output on a 7" screen, even when it wasn't in 800X480.

    2. Get the Opus for power. You wont' be sorry.

    3. I've heard of jerky playback with the Via but I've also heard of many with no issues at all. Is the DVD drive you are using a USB drive? Also, how much memory do you have on your board?

    BTW - I haven't heard anyone complain about the rates on the M13000.
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    First - Thanks for the replies...

    Arathranar:
    Playing videos..I'm playing the videos back in resolutions from 800x600 up to 1280x1024, with best playback (least amount of jerkiness) at a screen resolution 0f 1024x768. This is on a NEC 17" LCD. We have had all LCD's for the past 2 1/2 years on our network (14 systems). Video play at refresh rates less than 75mz always brings complaints from various members of the family (this is on NEC, Samsung and Viewsonic units). Hence my question regarding getting away from the slower refresh rate.

    I came to the same conclusion after struggling through almost all of the pages of the "Quest for 800x480" thread. (SOL). I lost hope when I read where members actually had hopes that VIA would provide drivers to interface with the monitor mfgs..VIA is notorious for their "we'll do it when we get good and ready to do something" attitude.

    Power: Between a 9-12 small watt LCD and the VIA motherboard, I would think that even an 80 watt PS would be overkill.

    Bugbyte:
    Thanks for the tip on the Opus.. The 80 watter looks nice...
    DVD playback is from a DVD player on the pci bus (not USB). But playing the same video back from the hard drive gives the same "jerky" motion - and the video palys perfectly on other systems, so it must be a limitation of the VIA board equipment. Memory is 1 gig of DDR400 on a single stick.

    I need to add that the random jerky motion is not a serious problem, it's just that I was foolish enough to believe VIA's B.S....

    Regarding the playback on a 7" screen- That was the primary reason I joined this forum. To find out which LCD can be used decently without having to have a half dozen patches on patches for a video solution. In other words, I was hoping that there was a LCD that was a "plug and play" unit that (hopefull) had a good refresh rate. If there is a LCD that uses the standard VGA cable for input, and delivers a good quality display, I'll order it tomorrw. It's just that I hear so many compliants about the 7" displays not giving good, clear results...

    Again - thanks for the good comments, all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark9
    Playing videos..I'm playing the videos back in resolutions from 800x600 up to 1280x1024, with best playback (least amount of jerkiness) at a screen resolution 0f 1024x768.
    What DVD decoder are you using? 800x600 was worse than 1024x768. That's strange.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark9
    This is on a NEC 17" LCD. We have had all LCD's for the past 2 1/2 years on our network (14 systems). Video play at refresh rates less than 75mz always brings complaints from various members of the family (this is on NEC, Samsung and Viewsonic units). Hence my question regarding getting away from the slower refresh rate.
    That's pretty bizarre. The video itself is only playing back at 25 fps. What do your family members complain about with a 60hz lcd? Is it the response time? I.e. a cheaper older lcd will have a slower response time which means game and video playback gets a kind of motion blur effect. That's not related to the refresh frequency of the display which should have no effect on video enjoyment.
    Power: Between a 9-12 small watt LCD and the VIA motherboard, I would think that even an 80 watt PS would be overkill.
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    You know how your graphics adapter has a driver for it? NEC monitors have monitor profiles available that you can download and install. Its a .INF file (and two other files) that describe the capabilities of the monitor. If you don't install this, the monitor will usually show up as a default plug and play monitor. You might try going to the NEC site and downloading the monitor profile and after installing it look and see what refresh rates are supported for your monitor. If this solves the problem while you're bench testing, it will give you a clue about where to focus when you put it in the car with a different monitor and have problems. Sometimes the process of elimination can save you a lot of time.

    Jerkiness with videos is often because your CD or DVD drive doesn't feed the data to the PC at a fast enough rate.

    What does task manager show your CPU utilization at when you're watching a movie?

    Also, the video codec being used to play the movie can make a big difference. Have you tried the PowerDVD software for playing your movies?
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    Yes, it's a fact that 800x600 is somewhat worse than 1024x768 on the NEC monitor I'm using for testing... And I have the NEC drivers loaded (.INF file). The video is not playing back at 25 fps, I'm in the U.S. and using the NTSC rate of 29.970 fps.

    It's not just by playing using a DVD drive, I've put the movie clip on the hard drive and the effect is exactly the same - which would indicate the discrepancy is because of the processor/on board video combination.

    Processor load is right at 99-100% when playing the clip, maxed out, obviously. I don't want to use PowerDVD because it simply degrades the movie during playback. I do contract video work and want to have best quality video for demo purposes. My encoder is the latest Cinema Craft, and produces excellent quality, and I want to keep it that way. I can easily make the playback smooth by dropping the bit rate when I encode the clip; but, that's not the point. I wanted to see if the VIA 10000 could handle the task - it simply cannot, at least at high quality video rates.

    So now I'm trying to get one of the new VIA 15000 boards because of it's 1500 mhz processor, DDR400/533 memory ability, and has improved video capabilities - or so they say. The jump in speed should allow what I'm looking for.

    I should add that my current demo unit uses a 3200+ Athlon, but the system produces much more noise because of the fan on the processor and the power supply fans. I was really hoping to make a truly portable quiet unit. An Athlon is way-overkill for the application anyway; but the VIA 10000 isn't quite up to the task. Hopefully the next part of the project will be "just right"....

    Again, thanks for the concern and the replies.

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    So you're playing back higher than DVD quality video? I.e. greater than the typical 7-10Mbps data rate?
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    All my encoding is done at 18Mbps..

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