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    welcome to the site!

    sounds like you've gotten yourself well ahead of the other newbies that come around these parts.

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    Welcome To The Site!!!

    For powering solutions if you think you'll need more power, check out this thread. Check out post #29. You can use 2, or more M2-ATX power supplies together to get the amount of power required.

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    Thanks for the input. . thanks, yea i have been thinking about doing something like this for a while, just finding the time to do it is the problem. i am not a noobie when it comes to computers or cars. but combining the two of them, well thats another story. i have standard audio stuff in my cars before but never attempted a computer. i think that it will be alot of fun. i have a few guys i work with that are going to help me with this. everyone brings something to the plate. one guy is pretty handy with fabrication, another is pretty good at programming and computer troubleshooting and i of course have the audio experience. i think that it is going to go well. i am just waiting abit untill the quad cores come out later this year and drop the prices of the core 2 duo's. i have looked into a little bit about the power supplies. i think that the 250 watt OPUS will work for what i am doing. the computer sounds powerful (which it is) but it is also very efficent. much more than the old meltdown P4's. i am going to this weekend take out the middle bench seat to see what i have to work with. i will probably take some pics to show where i plan on putting everything. Thanks again for the input.
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    hmm..

    Ok so i have taken a better look at where i thought i would place the PC. it looks smaller than what i had thought it was. and there isn't as much room as i thought below it. i have a few pics of it below. the first pic is of the dash to give everyone an idea of what it looks like. dodge has changed it this model year. the second pic is looking down from the drivers seat at the place where i thought that i had room to put the pc in. the next two pics are of the black tray thats in the second pic. the try is about 4" deep and 14" long and 12" wide. i think its gonna be a tighter fit than i first thought. the next two pics are of under the drivers seat and passengers seat respectively. this is another place i thought i could put the pc. the only problem is that there is more vonerable to damage there. on the plus side there is more space. i don't know what i will do. i guess the first thing is to start getting some parts in. well let me know what you think. ciao,
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    looks like a dash to be scared of cutting up... :P very nice dodge they are nice trucks but i think youll end up swapping the radio if you want that flip up in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcalibur View Post
    looks like a dash to be scared of cutting up... :P very nice dodge they are nice trucks but i think youll end up swapping the radio if you want that flip up in there
    Thank you, I love the truck. Yea i am afried of cutting into it, its only 6 months old. Yea i am going to trash the Factory radio. i am hoping to have the PC control everything. FM Radio, Cd's, Mp3's DVD's, GPS, Surius radio. i want to put the filp out where the factory radio is located and place a slot loading dvd player just below that (in the little cubby hole)
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    JpLelko, i think you are missing a VERY big part of the processor...


    1) you will not need to overclock a carPC processor, nor would i recommend you do that... i did the exact opposite to my CeleronM (which... is very slow in comparison)

    2) you need to realize that having a sick computer in your car is a waste of money, you are going to be using it for music, gps, maybe your phone, maybe the radio, even less likely backup camera, and even more less likely OBD-II intergration. you arent going to be playing half-life 2 in your car, or photoshopping, or making movies. by having an extremely fast processor you are really wasting money, and more importantly (and moreso with the Core2's) energy.

    Core 2's run pretty inefficently, (check... anandtech.com or tomshardware.com ... one of them has a core 2 power consumsion thing on it) my pentium M prolly burns about .7 the power that a core2 with normal clocking burns if not less (i really dont know off the top of my head), so it puts more load on the battery when the car is runnng (or not) and makes it much harder for the alternator to produce power for the battery

    from wiki...

    The existence of these intermediate clock states allows the CPU to better throttle clock speed as per requirement. Another remarkable feature of the Pentium M is its extremely low power dissipation which varies from 5 watts when idle to 27 watts on full load

    With a TDP of only 65 W, Core 2 features a significantly reduced power consumption compared to its predecessor desktop chip, the Pentium 4 Prescott with a TDP of 130 W.

    ok.. you beat the P4, but still... its half of the load of a Pentium M


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    Thank you for your input. i definately have researched alot about the different Cpu's. you are right it most likely not run Half-life 2, but i would like it to run Vista. for this reason is why i want to stear away from the inefficent pentium family. i am in the process of revising the cpu/Mobo combo right now. i am most likely going to go with a Core 2 Duo T5500 Merom 1.66GHz (25watts). this uses slightly more power than the Pentium M but has alot more preformace packed into it.

    on a side note, i would also point out that the E6300 Core 2 Duo is only clocked at 1.86Ghz. i had no plans of overclocking the Cpu, i just want the lower end preformace of the core 2 duo, like i said i would like to put Vista on it later.

    Thanks again for the information. check back i will probably have an updated parts list some time this week.

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    Ok, after some more research, i have changed up the processor and MoBo. i am going to use as follows:

    Processor --> Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 Merom 1.66GHz 2M sharing L2 Cache Socket M Processor (478 pin)

    Motherboard--> ABIT IL-90MV Socket 478 Intel 945GT Micro ATX Intel Motherboard (I am pretty sure its Core 2 Duo compatible (Merom).

    Please feel free to comment on anything. if you have had experience with either of the above listed products, please let me know how it went for you.
    Later, Ciao, Auf weidersehen,
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    First of all that space in the back seat is large enough if you can manage to cool it. You may want to look at TurboCads liquid cooling or something of the sort if you want to get it in that space. I have a similar sized opening hanging under the seat of my car that I plan on using.

    Also, 65 watts isn't that much if you keep your other components moderate.

    On the alternator comment. If you were driving a neon or something it might be an issue, but a Dodge Ram alternator is going to have enough power to pump an extra 3 amps that you would get with the Core Duo processer. I mean it's a difference of about 30 watts at 12V that's 3 amps. If you can stay under the 150Watt limit of the power supplys go the cheaper route and spend your money on your screen. I have used vista, it is a hog if you want the cool visuals. You are going to need all the power you can get and a lot of ram/video ram.

    Sounds like an awesome install man.

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