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    Hey, I've never done very much car audio stuff before but I've done a lot of computer and home audio installations as well as spent a decent amount of time under my car and in the engine compartment. I don't really want a CarPC, I just want to be able to hook up my iPod (nano, the old kind) to my car (I'll find somewhere to mount it, maybe dash or armrest) in a head-unitless system. I've heard I need an amp with a high-level input, can anybody explain this to me? Can anyone suggest some good amps that will work for this? I have an 8 speaker component system and I'd like to drive at least 4 x 80 RMS to give them all 40 watts; would I need to find an amp that can supply the power and quality I want that has a high level input or could I attach my iPod to some sort of intermediary equalizer, cheaper amp, or other part that would supply the high level input from which I can attach a separate amp to drive my components and soon a few subwoofers.
    I've got a single-din radio but a double-din enclosure with a blank in the upper half of it and an inch or two on the top and bottom of that I can take out. Ultimately if I can get my system working without the head-unit I would like to mount a JL audio 6w0 6 inch subwoofer in this space. Anyone have any experience with mounting speakers in such an enclosure? I wouldn't be against butchering the **** out of the internal parts of the DIN enclosures if I need more room for the sub box.
    If anyone can help me out, thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmiller1 View Post
    Hey, I've never done very much car audio stuff before but I've done a lot of computer and home audio installations as well as spent a decent amount of time under my car and in the engine compartment. I don't really want a CarPC, I just want to be able to hook up my iPod (nano, the old kind) to my car (I'll find somewhere to mount it, maybe dash or armrest) in a head-unitless system. I've heard I need an amp with a high-level input, can anybody explain this to me? Can anyone suggest some good amps that will work for this? I have an 8 speaker component system and I'd like to drive at least 4 x 80 RMS to give them all 40 watts; would I need to find an amp that can supply the power and quality I want that has a high level input or could I attach my iPod to some sort of intermediary equalizer, cheaper amp, or other part that would supply the high level input from which I can attach a separate amp to drive my components and soon a few subwoofers.
    I've got a single-din radio but a double-din enclosure with a blank in the upper half of it and an inch or two on the top and bottom of that I can take out. Ultimately if I can get my system working without the head-unit I would like to mount a JL audio 6w0 6 inch subwoofer in this space. Anyone have any experience with mounting speakers in such an enclosure? I wouldn't be against butchering the **** out of the internal parts of the DIN enclosures if I need more room for the sub box.
    If anyone can help me out, thanks in advance

    as far as the ipod goes, for around $150(more if you wish) you should be able to get a decent brand name head unit installed with an 1/8" jack for your ipod. I think in the $500+ range they even start to work as controllers for the Ipod. These head units also usually have pre-amp line outs for amps if you wish to hook up your amps afterwards. my $0.02

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    Yes, that would work, although I'm leaning towards making it head-unitless. Would I need to pay an arm and a leg for a DSP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmiller1 View Post
    Yes, that would work, although I'm leaning towards making it head-unitless. Would I need to pay an arm and a leg for a DSP?
    I'd keep a head unit. It gives you control for balance/fade, volume, AM/FM, on/off, etc.

    they even make ipod stuff for head units.

    http://www.cartunesstereo.com/products.asp?type=36

    that's a local store by me.

    DSPs i'm not sure. My store is pretty high end and it doesnt look like they list any. http://www.cartunesstereo.com/products.asp?type=10

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    imho, that some crap opinion. If he wants headunitless, let him. It is possible, and you can get stereo sound out which is what CD's (usually) are.

    As for the no HU option:
    The reason you need an amp is because the volume on the ipod (or any other mp3 player, cd player, whatever) is suffucuent for little itty bitty piezos in your headphones but that is about it. You know those external speakers for the ipod and such? They all use power as a supplement or "amplifier".

    So get an amp (low level will work). Read the connecting CarPC's to Amps with no HU threads because the iPod's output is the same and a computers. Same jack, same levels, same method.

    That's it. Really simple.

    If you want all iPod though, I would definately get rid of the nano and go for a full big ipod. Even the old ones that have 40-80 gb of hd space.

    I have a 300Gb HD, and over 1/2 is used. Haven't even put all my music and videos on there. 2gb-4gb isn't anything. That's like half the spongebob theme in wav format!
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    Thanks for your help 2k1Toaster, my nano holds plenty for me considering I can just go and change what's on it everynight, but if I cut out a place to mount it I'll definitely make it able to fit iPods of multiple sizes, my girl has a mini and I might just upgrade to a full sized one at some point. I just have one question, would I need to mount a volume control for my amp up on my dash or could I control the volume from my iPod? If I've gotta control the volume from the amp how do I know what volume to set my iPod to to achieve the highest quality? Also, its pretty hard not to change the volume accidentally while using my iPod, does anyone know of a way of "locking" the iPod volume?

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    this could be a nifty project. you could look at the ppi dsp unit as it only takes analog inputs..which is what you'll be dealing with with your ipod. see this thread for a review:
    http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...ead.php?t=6081
    thats if you want to go with a dsp...it's not needed. and you don't need high-level inputs, you can get line level out from the ipod's doc connector but then you wont be able to control the volume w/o a dsp unit. if you use the headphone jack; like 2k1 said, you can control the volume through the ipod.

    if you are really into sound quality you can send your ipod out to get a 'audiophile' like pre amp output modded into the ipod. this will bypass the weak internal ipod amp (i-amp?) and upgrade the output stage of the pod. (again...that would require a dsp of sorts to control volume)

    i'd also look into a clever way of installing and displaying the screen. if you realy wanted to go crazy you could take apart the ipod and perminately mount the screen
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott_fx View Post
    ...the weak internal ipod amp (i-amp?)...
    Why not?! Everything is iSomeCrap now-a-days.

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    i'd also look into a clever way of installing and displaying the screen. if you realy wanted to go crazy you could take apart the ipod and perminately mount the screen
    It's like we have a psychic bond! That's actually the reason I was suggesting the new iPod. If he got a new one or old gen he could mount the screen in the dash, or something and the touch wheel on the armwrest or something and not feel too bad about ripping apart his beautiful nano. (Although if it is black, it probably looks like crap now with all those scratches you tried so hard not to get!)

    You might even install the linux hack on the iPod and have a CarPC so to speak! I think one of if not the first iPod only installs. Put your friends to shame with it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    Why not?! Everything is iSomeCrap now-a-days.
    you know they have an i-vibrator haha... seriously it was on gizmodo or egadget.


    he could wait for the newest ipod's that are completely touchscreen and mount that. flush. that would be clean and no need to hack the ipod

    that would be pretty bad ***. and definately do the linux hack too!
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