UK uses CarPC to Make speeding impossible?

**HiJackZX1** · 05-16-2009, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by eigenVector

I do not feel it is the government's responsibility to 'teach people lessons.' Sure I would agree, it is a 'Good Thing', but I would argue that's not the role of government. You're also presuming that speeding causes injuries, and I understand how you may have come to that presumption, I too was raised in a government school, but let me be the first to tell you: It's not true.

But I'll resign, you make a good case for seat belt laws when you talk about the expense of the emergency services. If you're stupid enough to drive without a seat belt and you cause an accident and go flying through your windshield, it does cost the tax payers much more to scrap your carcus off the road.

I'm 100% with you on this one. Littering is a far worse offense than speeding in my book.

Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe there is a difference between speeding and wreckless driving. If your driving in a matter that will result in infringement of someone else's right to life, liberty or property, then I am 100% behind the role of legislation far more severe than a speeding ticket. However, speeding doesn't kill people; Driving wrecklessly kill's people.

I agree with you 100%, its people that drive wreck less that kill people. I will not lie, I am a speeder. You will usually see me going 60 in a 30. It is the only law I break, but I wear a seat belt, I never talk on the phone while driving unless its hands free, and my number one thing is always use turn signals. Any type of move I make I signal before making it so anyone driving slower knows what move I can make. I never cut people off, always leave at least a car length between me and another car. Its people that speed, talk on their phone, do their hair and or makeup, or just don't care, etc that cause all these accidents.

PS: On my voter registration card their is a D, but that doesn't mean I am all for having government control everything. Last time I checked it was people with R's taking our privacy rights away and doing warrant less spying on its own citizens. Makes me so glad to have dual citizenship, America is so blind, egotistical and narrow minded sometimes.

**eigenVector** · 05-16-2009, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

I agree with you 100%, its people that drive wreck less that kill people. I will not lie, I am a speeder. You will usually see me going 60 in a 30. It is the only law I break, but I wear a seat belt, I never talk on the phone while driving unless its hands free, and my number one thing is always use turn signals. Any type of move I make I signal before making it so anyone driving slower knows what move I can make. I never cut people off, always leave at least a car length between me and another car. Its people that speed, talk on their phone, do their hair and or makeup, or just don't care, etc that cause all these accidents.

I don't speed that much in residential zones, but you'll find me doing 75mph in a 65, or 80 in a 70mph zone. But you'll only see me doing that when it's 100% visibility on the highway, when there is plenty of space between cars and when the road conditions are good, as to not bother any other drivers on the road.
You probably wouldn't believe the number of people who absolutely never use their turn signals up here on the highway.

Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

PS: On my voter registration card their is a D, but that doesn't mean I am all for having government control everything. Last time I checked it was people with R's taking our privacy rights away and doing warrant less spying on its own citizens. Makes me so glad to have dual citizenship, America is so blind, egotistical and narrow minded sometimes.

That's why I have an "L" on mine

(Libertarian) The dem's are mostly socialist's now, and the republican's are mostly fascist's. Either way, they are both for 'bigger government.' Libertarian's stand for small government, and individual liberties!

**HiJackZX1** · 05-16-2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by eigenVector

I don't speed that much in residential zones, but you'll find me doing 75mph in a 65, or 80 in a 70mph zone. But you'll only see me doing that when it's 100% visibility on the highway, when there is plenty of space between cars and when the road conditions are good, as to not bother any other drivers on the road.
You probably wouldn't believe the number of people who absolutely never use their turn signals up here on the highway.

That's why I have an "L" on mine

(Libertarian) The dem's are mostly socialist's now, and the republican's are mostly fascist's. Either way, they are both for 'bigger government.' Libertarian's stand for small government, and individual liberties!

I agree, obviously if visibility and road conditions are bad you have to slow down. HAHAHAHAHAHA OMG in miami (not to sound racist) but alot of Hispanic people drive crazy. I guess in their countries they don't have rules. Like today this lady bolted from the right lane flew 3 lanes over and almost into me. She then noticed me while still crossing over and turned on her blinker at the last second. She had this look on her face like "oh thats what that button does" and me kind of having a bit of road rage I stayed right on the side so she couldn't get over, people in small cars wont challenge a SUV, she then slowed down to get behind me and cross over.

Well it seems R believes in no government. D is over government. I kind of agree with L, I think small governments will be better, but with some over sight from a larger entity.

**eigenVector** · 05-16-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

Well it seems R believes in no government. D is over government. I kind of agree with L, I think small governments will be better, but with some over sight from a larger entity.

That's interesting that you perceive the republicans being 'no government.' It's the republican's who want to use the police power of government to force people to abide by morals. It's the republican's who want to use government to decide what you can and can't do with your own body (see abortion, and same-sex-marriage.) Don't kid yourself. The majority of both parties today are struggling for power. The size and role of government under George W. Bush grew far more under his two terms than any single president before him (ie: see Sarbanes-Oxley). Sadly however the majority of American's believe the answer to this is to elect yet another candidate who has grown the size of government more in his first 100 days in office than 8 years of the previous administration.
Now, if that's not change you can believe in, I don't know what is!

This country was founded with the core principal of small government: leaving the majority of power to the local area. Since then the federal government has taken so much power that the state's are becoming powerless. So what does the state do? They come up with stupid little laws (IE Speeding limits on highways) just to show that they can, and that they are still here. But just wait, it has happened before, and it will happen again: a national speeding limit.

**HiJackZX1** · 05-16-2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by eigenVector

That's interesting that you perceive the republicans being 'no government.' It's the republican's who want to use the police power of government to force people to abide by morals. It's the republican's who want to use government to decide what you can and can't do with your own body (see abortion, and same-sex-marriage.) Don't kid yourself. The majority of both parties today are struggling for power. The size and role of government under George W. Bush grew far more under his two terms than any single president before him (ie: see Sarbanes-Oxley). Sadly however the majority of American's believe the answer to this is to elect yet another candidate who has grown the size of government more in his first 100 days in office than 8 years of the previous administration.
Now, if that's not change you can believe in, I don't know what is!

This country was founded with the core principal of small government: leaving the majority of power to the local area. Since then the federal government has taken so much power that the state's are becoming powerless. So what does the state do? They come up with stupid little laws (IE Speeding limits on highways) just to show that they can, and that they are still here. But just wait, it has happened before, and it will happen again: a national speeding limit.

All I know is that as long as it doesnt go even more into the crapper, I dont really care what happens in government. If something really effects me or anyone else, they have the option to leave to another country. With the R's they expand other things, but kill vital things. Im not kidding myself, because I dont really care, lol. This has happened before and it will happen again.... Thats was of the sayings that the new BattleStar Galactica had in it. At the same time people dont protest like they used too. People have just either to lazy, scared, and or dont care. I saw that people in the past were not like that. Wonder what happened that we all changed?

**eigenVector** · 05-16-2009, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

This has happened before and it will happen again.... Thats was of the sayings that the new BattleStar Galactica had in it.

Haha, that's great... Didn't consciously make that connection. I believe the quote was "This has all happened before, and it will all happen again"
What a great show!

**HiJackZX1** · 05-16-2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by eigenVector

Haha, that's great... Didn't consciously make that connection. I believe the quote was "This has all happened before, and it will all happen again"
What a great show!

yup, its one of the only shows I felt I had to have. I have every last episode and Razor..... Didnt care for the Caprica DVD though. I am waiting for BSG The Plan movie. HEHEHEHEHE were both frakin BSG fans, how funny.

**Bugbyte** · 05-16-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by eigenVector

Sadly however the majority of American's believe the answer to this is to elect yet another candidate who has grown the size of government more in his first 100 days in office than 8 years of the previous administration.

I was totally unaware of this. Could you please tell me what expansion took place?

**eigenVector** · 05-16-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bugbyte

I was totally unaware of this. Could you please tell me what expansion took place?

Well, I can't entirely say I'm suprised by this response but lets just name a few:

Economic Recovery Act of 2009:
Instead of relying on the private sector to fix the economy, the government has stepped in and said "Look, we're in charge now" to take charge of all of our problems. The government has grown in the areas of Healthcare ($147 billion), Education ($90 billion), Energy ($61 billion), Housing ($12.7 billion)
Government: 1 | Individualism: 0

Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act:
Although this act only amends an existing law, it only further shows that it's the government's responsibility to determine whether or not wages are 'fair', and not the employer.
Government: 1 | Employeers: 0

He signed a bill for State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP):
It's now the responsibility of Government to provide 'health payment plans' (Don't let that word insurance confuse you, we don't have health insurance in this country) for children!
Government: 1 | Parents: 0

Bottom line is, spending. Obama's budget for 2010: 3.6 Trillion Dollars!
(FYI: here's a nice chart for those keeping tabs at home with previous budgets:

)
Where is this money coming from? Well it's technically coming from all of our children and grand children. But it's comming from the tax payers in this country.

Does any of this sound familiar? I hope it's answered your question: there's just so much to say, and not enough time to say it.

Oh and here's a good article I can't say I don't agree with:
http://wdbo.com/blogs/wdbo_neal_boor...accomplis.html

**Bugbyte** · 05-16-2009, 06:53 PM

Actually, no it didn't answer my question. The size of the budget has nothing to do with the size of the government.

Having read quite a bit about the financial crisis, the reason for the increased budget is a lack of government oversight of the financial system followed by fear that failure to intervene would cause a historic collapse.

We were failed by the regulators of the previous administration. I don't think for a second that either party would have submitted a lower budget for 2010. The damage to the economy and the financial system is so great that legislators can't afford to sit by passively. The real question is whether they are doing the right thing or not. Nobody knows the answer to that.

I certainly agree though, that 'government knowledge' is an oxymoron.

But I disagree that all government intervention is a bad thing. I certainly depend on the government for my safety - building code enforcement, nuclear plant operations, airline safety and so forth. Under your definition, drunk driving is a liberty that should be allowed. If people are stupid enough to drive drunk, they deserve what happens to them.