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    I am not saying that Saddam is a good person, or that he has a right to be killing innocent people, or to have used WDM on the Kurds. I also completly do not trust him with the technology of WDM. I dont think any country should have any sort of WDM, no country should actually need them. When you say "I dont care why they hate us" that is exactly what im talking about, how are we supposed to better ourselves and fix our problems when we do not care. Also, I think its interesting that it takes the US bieng a victim of terrorist attacks to do something about it. If the US wants to be a world leader we should have helped out the countries that suffered from attacks before us.
    I am for this war, Saddam is a very bad person, and yes I believe he would redily sell any weapon to any terrorist group. Saddam should not be in control, nor should he ever should have been. But what i am saying is that if you look at the scenario, and consider both sides equal, not one better than the other, it seems unfair for the US to come in and remove the government. I think the US should have waited for the UN's consent, i trust the UN to make the decision of weather saddam needs to be removed or not, not one leader. Do not forget this is why the UN was created in the first place, to prevent wars, and to promote peace.
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    Imation,
    You said this:
    When you say "I dont care why they hate us" that is exactly what im talking about, how are we supposed to better ourselves and fix our problems when we do not care.
    Please, tell me why I care why a terrorist hates me, as an American. Please, tell my what that would, magically fix and make him a 'better' terrorist.
    HE IS A TERRORIST!
    TERRORIST = EVIL

    Could you possibly understand what kind of person would commit such a thing? Do you think it would be possible to reason with that person??

    You also said:
    But what i am saying is that if you look at the scenario, and consider both sides equal, not one better than the other, it seems unfair for the US to come in and remove the government.
    You see, the basic premise of your argument in that case is false. Things are NOT equal. One is better than the other. You have to be able to see that as you cited cases to that fact in your own post! You cannot equate the US to a tyrannical dictatorship such as Iraq.

    I think the US should have waited for the UN's consent, i trust the UN to make the decision of weather saddam needs to be removed or not, not one leader. Do not forget this is why the UN was created in the first place, to prevent wars, and to promote peace.
    I think it's odd that you trust the UN over your own government. The UN was not created to prevent wars and promote peace. It was originally founded as a committee of nations which were continuing the fight against Germany and the other Axis powers, hence the name, United Nations. It later became a committee to maintain international peace and security. You like the UN so much, why don't you go and read their charter! If you had, you'd agree, the UN should have removed Saddam Hussein long ago.

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    Do you not understand that terrorists have reasons? They do kill people for a purpose you know. Terrorists in Al Queda and Bin Laden ran planes into US buildings for a reason, not because they are insane. And as we know it today became official on the 24 of October, 1945. Yes it was origionally was created to help fight the Nazis and the axis, but after WWII it became what it is today, an organization to help promote peace. And yes i would trust the UN over my government, because i want whats right for the world, not just my country.
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    Do you not understand that terrorists have reasons? They do kill people for a purpose you know. Terrorists in Al Queda and Bin Laden ran planes into US buildings for a reason, not because they are insane.
    Huh? Ok, so now you are saying that someone who could run planes full of people are not insane....Ok, I may go with you on that to some extent....THEY ARE PURE EVIL.
    Let me ask you this - these terrorists would have a far better reception if they used a diplomatic route, don't you think? Hmmm...Maybe they should go to the UN to stop us from doing whatever it is that they don't like?

    Please...we are supposed to legitimize terrorists by listening to what they have to say. Please Mr. Terrorist...like me...please.
    Screw that. We are not doing anything remotely resembling the evil things they have done and plan to do. Maybe if we were walking into crowded restaurants in their countries and blowing ourselves to smitherines, I'd understand.

    You need to look at the type of person it takes to get into a plane, slash the throats of flight attendants and pilots, and fly the plane into the World Trade Center towers. Is that a person with which we could reason? Do I need to know why THAT person is angry with me? NO! Those people have served notice on society. They do not wish to participate in this thing we call civilization.

    And yes i would trust the UN over my government, because i want whats right for the world, not just my country.
    That, my friend, is scarry. I think a general distrust of government is good but believing a group of leaders over your own government? Do you believe in the sovereignty of the US? Do you really believe that the UN is doing what's right for the world? Please, go read the UN charter! You do realize that the UN has decided that Iraq will head the Conference on Disarmament. Is that a joke, you may ask, but I assure you it is not. How about this - Libya was elected president of the U.N. Human Rights Commission. You do know that a Lybian government agent was convicted in the terrorist attack on that Pan Am flight that went down over Scotland. Not to mention the other state sponsored attacks such as the one in the dance club in Germany. Oh, and their record on human rights is deplorable.

    Yeah, they're looking out for the good of the world. I guess the only good thing is that the UN is making themselves irrelevant or worse - a joke.

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    look, what i am saying is that I consider world peace more important than peace in a single country. Obviously terrorists are going about getting their point across the complete wrong way, but do you not think that they might stop if we quit doing what irritated them, or at least in your case understood why they performed their actions.
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    That is precisely why you do not give in to demands in a hostage situation... If it becomes known that all you have to do is run a plane into a building full of people to have the US stop what you feel is wrong, it would become very common very fast.. Soon you would have green peace, tree huggers using terrorist tacticts too..

    You cant simply say "we should stop doing what ever we do that is ****ing these people off". You obviously dont know what it is that the US is supposedly doing in the first place or you would have used that in your arguement. And simply by not knowing the actual reasons for 911, your whole arguement means nothing..

    Get some facts and I will listen...

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    Yeah, as Mike said - where are your reasons - you said you could think of hundreds of reasons why...Here's your quote:

    People need to actually think for once, why might they not like us? I can personally think of hundreds of reasons.
    I asked you for 20 in my 2nd to last post - well, where are they? If you can think of 100's, surely 20 off of the top of your head wouldn't be a problem to post.

    Mike is 100% correct - The only reason I didn't post it is I was in transit


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    look, what im saying is that they hate america enough to fly planes into buildings that are a trade marks to the most powerful country in the world. I am not saying give into their demands, but to listen to thim. They could have done it because they hate the acording to them the, "sinful lives" we live, they could have done it because they hate the fact that we treat women equal to men, they could have done it because they were really ****ed of at some deal we made with another country, they could have done it because they are completly insane and mentally ill, I really have no idea why they did it, but im sure they must have had plenty of reasons in order to commit such a suicidal act. If they were ****ed off because they thought that we are ignorant to current world events mabey those of us that had no idea whats going on in the world right now could tune into the news for once, im not saying change your ways, beliefs, habits or whatever but consider their theirs too.
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    look, what im saying is that they hate america enough to fly planes into buildings that are a trade marks to the most powerful country in the world. I am not saying give into their demands, but to listen to thim.
    Listen to them? Are any of those reasons you gave justification for a terrorist attack? Can you honestly say let's listen to what a bunch of killers have to say? Maybe we should make women dress in burkas...

    Here, listen to yourself:
    I really have no idea why they did it, but im sure they must have had plenty of reasons in order to commit such a suicidal act.
    They must have had plenty of reasons? I don't care if they had your '100's of reasons' (of which I have only heard 4, by the way). I'll be sure to consider their ways, beliefs and habits when they blow up a building or hijack a plane. I don't care about their feelings as long as we get every last one of them or keep them off balance so they cannot commit another act of terrorism.

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    for those that may be of the mindset that this is not terrorist related or that saddam had no part in the wtc attack

    from a captured iraqi soldier who has been very "helpful" it has been found out that about 12 or so al queida members are hellping saddams troops and directing grenade attacks and such
    and that also at least 2 planned attempts to do further terrorist attacks against us citys have been for lack of a better word thwarted <this according to a few radio station coverage broadcasts i heard 2 day >

    just my .0000000002 cents

    take it as you will i for one would have been happy if this could have been resolved through better means than war but that option has come and gone so i fully support the troops and the reasons for being over there
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