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    Someone help me out with this please

    Hey all,
    In amongst building my car pc, new desktop, and beefing up my laptop, i figured while i'm at it why not build my media pc as well. I found some old computer that has been sitting around in storage for a while now. i dont remember much of it but it is a pentium 3 and i remember it has ddr 1 memory lol.
    So simply put... All this poor old timer has to do is play video, music, (at different time obviously) and run windows 98.
    Although i should mention that i am really hoping to be able to play some .mkv files with it

    Question is this.... to get the video and sound easily from the pc to the tv was looking into something along these lines for a video card. anyone know what the min. might be to run it. i have been looking at the specs and have found nothing specific.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125253

    Thanks all

    edit: i looked on the gigbyte website too and they show no infor for it but under drivers i saw they only go back to xp so may run into that problem too

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    why 98?

    If it were me, I would max out the ram install xp and grab that card... Unless I had a tv that has a vga port (I have three) then I wouldnt get the card but what I would do is take that 60-70 bucks (shipping cost) get a vga cable, and headphone jack to rca cable and slap it on my tv and my receiver. take the left over money buy (insert preferred recreational substance) and enjoy my very very very hard work...
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    thank you all for your help minus the useless post by sjlucky...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SjLucky View Post
    why 98?

    If it were me, I would max out the ram install xp and grab that card... Unless I had a tv that has a vga port (I have three) then I wouldnt get the card but what I would do is take that 60-70 bucks (shipping cost) get a vga cable, and headphone jack to rca cable and slap it on my tv and my receiver. take the left over money buy (insert preferred recreational substance) and enjoy my very very very hard work...
    you know what maybe thats what i will do.... i thought the hdmi would have better resolution than the vga. My tv does have vga in.... using 98 cause it's an old computer so i think it will struggle to run xp and play mkv files. i figure 98 is about that time so.... should be runable...

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    Sometimes I can see a difference other times not so much... A lot of it depends on the content. The only time I really saw a difference was on a blu-ray player... hdmi won that round. There is tons of info on this subject and I myself was confused at first mainly because I can get the same res out of both. It wasnt until I used a hdmi cable on a rear projection tv that I saw a huge difference in vga vs hdmi. The tv was horrible at displaying the desktop... Video was fine an dandy for the Misses but it drove me insane. It had a wicked overscan. Even on the composite dvr box from comcast I was losing the either the bottom ticker (like completely no bottom ticker tape ie, news channel, g4tv etc etc) or everyone was missing their hair pieces. Funny at times but like I said I wanted to punt a 4lbs Yorkie at it. When I switched to an hdmi cable it was still overscanning but not a bad... I can get a 1080 res with the text boosted to like 200dpi something like that. I would have to look.

    Overall if the drool of text above this doesnt make sense, then know this. Rear Projection Tvs Suck! Hdmi is cool if you have issue with the image larger than the screen area and you want to run audio in one cable. If you can save your hdmi ports for your 360/ps3, and blu-ray.

    as a side note, I was reading somewhere about the pros and cons of vga vs hdmi and it came down to to things 1) at this point its personal pref. 2) vga is unprotected. hdmi is protected. So if you wish to view full HD video and audio from your protected media hdmi is the way to go. Now to me that sounds like a bunch of bs but I dont think I have any protected media so I cant really test it. Almost all of my hard copies are still wrapped in plastic wrap...

    a stripped version of xp would be fine I think... a walk on the linux side would be the best though... ...:mhmmm kev's clusters of nothingness:....
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    thank you all for your help minus the useless post by sjlucky...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SjLucky View Post
    Sometimes I can see a difference other times not so much... A lot of it depends on the content. The only time I really saw a difference was on a blu-ray player... hdmi won that round. There is tons of info on this subject and I myself was confused at first mainly because I can get the same res out of both. It wasnt until I used a hdmi cable on a rear projection tv that I saw a huge difference in vga vs hdmi. The tv was horrible at displaying the desktop... Video was fine an dandy for the Misses but it drove me insane. It had a wicked overscan. Even on the composite dvr box from comcast I was losing the either the bottom ticker (like completely no bottom ticker tape ie, news channel, g4tv etc etc) or everyone was missing their hair pieces. Funny at times but like I said I wanted to punt a 4lbs Yorkie at it. When I switched to an hdmi cable it was still overscanning but not a bad... I can get a 1080 res with the text boosted to like 200dpi something like that. I would have to look.

    Overall if the drool of text above this doesnt make sense, then know this. Rear Projection Tvs Suck! Hdmi is cool if you have issue with the image larger than the screen area and you want to run audio in one cable. If you can save your hdmi ports for your 360/ps3, and blu-ray.

    as a side note, I was reading somewhere about the pros and cons of vga vs hdmi and it came down to to things 1) at this point its personal pref. 2) vga is unprotected. hdmi is protected. So if you wish to view full HD video and audio from your protected media hdmi is the way to go. Now to me that sounds like a bunch of bs but I dont think I have any protected media so I cant really test it. Almost all of my hard copies are still wrapped in plastic wrap...

    a stripped version of xp would be fine I think... a walk on the linux side would be the best though... ...:mhmmm kev's clusters of nothingness:....
    Ha ha ha ... Punt a 4lb yorkie!!!! I love it!

    All of my movies, blu rays and other are scanned into the computer onto external hard drives... Not sure what category this falls into (protected or un) but i want to be able to to scan my movies into the computer blu rays as well, play them in full hd with hd sound. i could care less about one cable or 5. and i have a receiver with a boat load of open hdmi ports, so thats no biggy. But i am a cheap bastard, if vga will be just as good it is for me.

    I am going to wait until i get the computer running and then see if its capable of playing mkv files before i commit to buying anything either way just trying to do my research.
    Thanks for your help keep it coming

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    Be careful with upgrades.
    The cost of memory for old PCs can be more than a new PC (even 2nd hand!).
    And a P3 running XP? I have a P4 running W2k (though that was by choice over XP at the time).
    [Does it even have PCI? (lol)]

    Many Linx distros are great for older machines, albeit not usually with Linus GUI (the apps can be GUI), though I am out of date with that stuff (was it circa Redhat 6).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSpark View Post
    Be careful with upgrades.
    The cost of memory for old PCs can be more than a new PC (even 2nd hand!).
    And a P3 running XP? I have a P4 running W2k (though that was by choice over XP at the time).
    [Does it even have PCI? (lol)]

    Many Linx distros are great for older machines, albeit not usually with Linus GUI (the apps can be GUI), though I am out of date with that stuff (was it circa Redhat 6).
    I got to take another look at it, yes it will have one open pci slot lol, i am not sure what the memory is like in it as it isnt marked on the sticks and i need to get a hardrive formated for it, so i will go from there i believe. it does have dvi out... now i am just trying to tho think the best way to get surround sound from it.

    Option1 would be to run the sound via 3.5mm to rca into the receiver, dont think this will give me surround sound though

    option 2 i would have to get a 7.1 or 5.1 sound card installed and use the 3.5 mm rca cables for that.... wait that is too many rca's not enough connections on the receiver.... hmmmm.....

    It is late i will stop thinking now... any thoughts anyone?

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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829126005

    cheap, and it has one of those neat little red lite ports on it....

    Its funny what you find in 2 minutes when you know what your looking for...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ue=1026%3A8534

    hell any one of those would work...
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    thank you all for your help minus the useless post by sjlucky...

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    The video card you linked is PCI-E , that old PC is probably AGP. AGP cards can be hard to find new, best to check ebay / craigslist / kijiji.

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