Supposing you are serious in what you say: I would suggest you try to catch up on your obviously lacking antenna knowledge first, before you continue to make a public fool of yourself.
The formula where the netbook is connected to the cellphone's HSPA modem, the netbook standing in the trunk and steered from a near-the-steeringwheel periphery, with the cellphone in a properly wired cradle (car battery, mic/speaker, roof antenna) is superior to any other thing, especially a 'smartphone'. According to me, smartphones are for dumb people - which doesn't mean that every user of them would be dumb. But the entire hype around them is being created to make them lose conscience, common sense, to make them not to start thinking independently on this issue and potentially better methods.
I can't prove it, sure, but almost all the evidence available today - and that's not little - points in that direction.
Let me make those of you interested in this matter a new proposal. Consider the whole thing a potential *business model*: Try and find independent, technically qualified people who could work out the the carkit problem, because this is where the principle problem lies.
Those carkits existing (and known to me) consist of 2 parts: a black box, and a holder for the phone. Both are interconnected by a system cable. The black box is connected to the car battery, a microphone and a speaker (or the radio's speakers), and the roof antenna.
Audio 2000 by Funkwerk Dabendorf (FWD) - see
offers phone-specific holders, because of the necessary contacts. However, their holder covers the phone's mini-USB, so you can't wire-connect the netbook. Their mic is way too weak, the other party can hear you with problems only. Then again, you may be glad that they can hear you at all (and you can hear them), because the holder's audio plug is mounted insufficiently: It has a tendency to losen in the course of some weeks, and once this situation is there nobody hears anything anymore. .)
Alternatively, there is Bury's System 8, see
They seem to offer a general-purpose holder, thus without contacts. According to what I hear, you are supposed to plug a short lose power wire into your phone. This would be basically fine, but it seems to be of the mini-USB type, so it would occupy the slot needed for the netbook. Then the audio part is to be fed via bluetooth. Personally I don't like bluetooth, because it just causes too many problems. These problems will probably worsen when you also try to connect your netbook this way, even if your phone can handle 2 such simultaneous connections.
I would prefer a solution with general-purpose holders plus short lose wires for power, audio and netbook. As connectors, use standard types, plus offer the necessary adapters.
By the way, my preferred antenna is a swedish Smarteq (formerly Allgon), see their catalogue at
Looks- (see the last photo in my video, via thread opener) and handling-wise I prefer the 1158.22 (page 4), although it reaches up to 1990 Mhz only.
Finally a word about the netbook. The only problem that I remember there was to get it connected via the Kensington 120 W power supply to the car battery - the Kensington doesn't offer the right tip for every netbook. So a savvy technical interventon was necessary there too. A small optical mouse is easy to obtain, as is a small keyboard. As a monitor, I now have (in contrast to the video photos) a Xenarc 805YV, see
This is a superb thing - light-weight, stable and crystal-clear image. But they also offer a range of other models, best will be to check out for yourselves.
Once you've come this far, you can start your business and try to reach the quality-minded customers. And when your sales warrant it, you can start to make model-specific holders as we had them in Europe in the 2G era. They used to offer a host of convenient features adapted to the various models which a general-purpose holder just cannot offer. I wouldn't be suprised if european industry then came to copy 'the american model' again... .)
Finally, if you are really successful, then you can approach Nokia, Ericsson & co and demand that they again equip their phones with an automatically switched external antenna contact. From then on, putting the phone into the cradle means also that all the phone's antenna power is led to the roof antenna through a galvanic contact, that the phone's antenna remains inactive. This means you get the entire raditation out of the car - in the interest of your range, link quality, and protection from harmful cellphone radiation (yes, 2 W is harmful if exposed to it from a close distance for hours on end).
Good luck to you, hope to hear good industry news from the other side of the Atlantic soon - the sooner the better. .)
For those interested, download the video at
and copy the description including my email address, I don't know how much longer they will be there.
Lol, you act like it's some huge conspiracy. It's just capitalism. If a product dosen't sell, it'll go off the market. And there's no market for carkits anymore like trip said. Most new cars have bluetooth integration negating the need for a carkit in the first place... so who's conspiring to put bluetooth in car, since that's what's killing carkits? Oh noes!
Guys like you are like sand in the desert. You are all exchangeable, without any personality.
The only thing that would remain open is whether you can't comprehend the issue at stake, or whether you prefer not to, because you pursue a hidden agenda. Provided this were an interesting question...
So in other words, if you have nothing else to contribute than foolish 'lols', why the hell don't you just f*** off.
Please remain civil on the forums. Sarcasm is fine, however cursing and being rude is not. You took it a step too far, if you want anyone to take you seriously you can't get angry, if you get angry online that kind of negates any point you are trying to make.
Originally Posted by sap_plus
This looks like a hypocritic reaction to me: First you talk obvious nonsense. Then when you get an appropriate reaction, you shout 'Catch the thief'. You act like a german who, upon hearing something he can't tolerate, shouts 'insult' and then demands the public prosecutor to take over, in order to punish the guy with the wrong opinion. (Oh yeah, that's the way the german cangaroo court system operates.)
Which would indicate that my assumption that you're probably pursuing a hidden agenda is correct. Otherwise you would deal constructively and in detail with my well-motivated proposals.
I don't think "f*** you" is appropriate anywhere, no matter what it is in response to.
Also racist comments are not welcome on this forum... you're really digging yourself a deep hole.
Yes, I'm perusing a hidden agenda. Next you'll be accusing me of being a government agent out to silence people who want... uh... 2G service in their cars?
Btw, 4G is where it's at. Also I have perfect integration in my car with the latest smartphones on the market. No carkit required, so what exactly IS your argument?
There are few absolute values. Almost everything depends on the situation.
What do you mean by 'racist'? Now it's getting ludicrous. So I am 'digging myself a deep hole', in the land of the free, of the 1st amendment. This sounds like a covert threat. Are you an agent provocateur?
But back to the matter in question. Your reaction shows that you either don't comprehend, or that you pretend not to comprehend. All my concerns with regard to smartphones have been made more than clear. I was also very clear about the preferred solution formula. What exactly was it that you didn't comprehend there? I'm ready to assist provided you convince me that it will fall on fertile ground - not into a deep hole. .)
And 4G vs 3G is obviously of no significance here.
You know what? To me you seem to be a troll. One more reaction of this kind, and you'll be plonked. .)
I can see where this is going so I'll bow out. Have fun :)