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    I didn't think so, but there was no text etc on your link by the time I got to it.


    And I may have confused your commercial GPS tracker link with standard GSM and mobile tracking and Apps like iPod locators.
    I don't think anyone has issues with GPS tracking nor EPIRBs etc.
    It's the others that are contentious, though people seem grateful when lost kids or even themselves are found.

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    What do you mean? The text at my Youtube link is still there.

    And my GPS tracker link was not meant to be commercial. I was trying to (again) draw your attention to the fact that trackers (especially government such) are everywhere nowadays, and that they are being constantly abused. They are part of the overall total surveillance picture. That's why I quoted the 'Surveillance' link at Wikipedia.

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    So? That's been the case for decades. Electronic communications stored for 7 years etc.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "abuse" - I consider Media a bigger threat and "criminal" in that sense.

    Otherwise it's probably the ancient problem - information is fine - it depends how it is used.


    Glad to see the Swiss references however - at least they treat their whistle-blowers as "traitors" and that is clearly understood. The rest of the world has to catch up with that...

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    I find part of your logic hard to follow. Surveillance is nothing new, true. But along with technical developments is has become ever more intrusive, thus dangerous. Attempts to keep abuse under control, in order to maintain constitutional rights, have clearly not kept pace. And with regard to these preoccupying developments, there is not the slightest light at the end of the tunnel to be seen - at least not over here. In the US, there has been a recent Supreme Court decision with regard to GPS/cellphone location bugs: Law enforcement will now need a warrant. Let's see how this develops in practice.

    Who is more criminal and insane among the 'elite' is hard to determine. It's all their forces allied against the 'sovereign' that are the biggest threat, probably.

    And the logic of your final chapter totally eludes me.

    But apart from that, we're on a side track now. The thread was about the proposed re-introduction of netbooks connected to handheld phones and their modems in cars instead of smartphones, and properly so: the netbook placed in the trunk and steered from near-the-wheel periphery, the phone lying in a cradle and thereby connected to the car battery, the audio components (mic/speaker) and - MOST OF ALL - the roof antenna.

    You have nothing to comment on that, no?

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    PS

    Replace 'preoccupying' by 'worrying' please

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    I don't understand why a comment is needed, but I suspect we both have difficulties understanding each other.

    Recent technological advances have had little impact on government surveillance of us - eg your mobile connection is monitored at wireless, cable and "inter-carrier" levels.
    It has however had a big impact on media etc in the so called "interests of the public". Is that what you are referring to - the intercepts used by private companies?


    I don't see how smartphone versus netbook impacts anything, not the antenna.

    Having said that however, I have a 1G phone, I do not use bluetooth nor wireless interconnects, my cameras are GPS free, and I have a GPS receiver in my vehicle.
    I will at times swap phones with others as that is not yet an offense. I have even been known to turn off my mobile or leave it at home.
    And I am reluctant to own a modern vehicle.

    That covers your concerns, yes?

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    Have you read the thread? The government/stasi aspect came into this because I have a very clear impresssion (see the title of this thread) that the powers-that-be would like us to have smartphones in our cars, not netbooks connected to handheld phones (and both correctly mounted). Because this would be a *professional* formula, but according to the logic prevailing in your country, such tools are for law enforcement only - not for the ordinary citizenry. And our 'elite', always eager at following developments outre-Atlantique (for the better or the worse), seem to follow this pattern, nowadays. No, I am almost totally certain this is NOT a mere economic decision, politicians have their noses in everything nowadays.

    And because they can't get a law passed providing for these arrangements, they send the stasi instead to guys who try to find ways to still get there.

    I would be happy if I finally managed to make myself understood. .)

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    Just to be clear, the only text I read was "If you are interested in this video and the description, then better download it and copy the text. There is evidence that both may soon be gone...", and the clip itself had some fairly (IMO) nauseating music.


    I suggest you just build the thing and take it from there.

    Or contact the HRC via Geneva or The Haag if you are being threatened.
    You could even apply for asylum if you want.


    It sounds like anyone that sees netbooks as being only for the authorities is pretty thick - almost as thick as security that insists that passengers etc "boot up their laptops" to prove they are indeed laptops. (But it took them years to figure out that bottles of water, cig lighters, and pencils could be weapons LOL!)
    Are you sure you not being led by sensationalist media?

    Or maybe to put it anther way, what can a laptop do that a smart phone cannot?
    And how will anyone know if you use anything in addition to your smartphone?
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    Oh me oh my...

    Click on the 'show more' button, and the rest of the text will become visible.

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    It's the combination of a netbook and a handheld phone, and both properly mounted, which makes you a professional - not a childish toy like a 'smartphone'.

    And of course it is a major upside to have identic OS, software etc on all computers one uses, instead of different ones if a smartphone comes into the picture. But that's about standardisation, and that's not for english-language people, very well understood. Still you appreciate having it where it could be 'enforced' against your will, cf GSM, no?

    I'm getting tired with this guy and his ilk. Aren't there any others out there who could contribute some interesting thoughts, just for a change?

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    LOL!
    If you had made it clear you were after a developer etc. Pity - I closed my Credit Suisse account a few years ago.
    I thought it was crap about traceability & interception...


    Though english isn't my first language, I don't seem to have your difficulties.
    Personally, I'd just bus over the border. Or trip off to Singapore etc.


    Good luck.
    I wish your business case well.

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