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    Yeah, definitely not for the masses yet.
    Cost wise it's the usual lifecycle - let the trendies buy at the usual introductory price so the price falls quicker for mass consumption.


    Popular is relative. I'm more interested in the numbers. Range-wise they already suit the majority of owned vehicle (as perhaps opposed to the majority of mileage).
    That varies with region. Though f.ex Australia has huge distances per capita (ie, one of the lowest population densities in the world), it also has one of the highest urbanisation rates - ie, nearly 1/3rd live in TWO cities & over half the population in 5 cities.
    So for most aussies, a 2nd car could certainly be electric (if not their first). Yet likewise, for most aussies their main car cannot be electric if limited to a few hundred miles or km.
    USA and Canada may be similar whereas other countries follow the urban model.

    But even now, with 300km limits and 15 minute recharge times, many would argue they already suit long trips - eg, the 2 hours drive and (coffee) break safety model.

    Of course we all know how totally unsuccessful petrol cars were with their initial 100 mile range. Or even Harleys 100 years later with their 70 mile tanks.
    Yet despite similar comments back then (aside from the dangers of WMDs like petrol!) it seems the petrol engine has become somewhat popular.


    PS - foldaway/electric locks often amuse me. I love seeing power-loss scenarios...
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    300 MILES... or 480KM...

    I am assuming since you are talking in metrics more so that you are not American, Oldspark.

    Petroleum based fueled engines have been around for decades and they can be easily switched to run much cleaner propane or CNG. These are much more readily available in the US than Diesel or Gasoline. I recently read information that in the US at this point in time electric power is actually cleaner per mile than petrol based fuels. And that Grain based fuels actually take more energy to form fuel than is provided by the fuel created.

    In the US a vehicle to be the main daily driver needs to maintain a minimum of 300 miles (480km) to a tank of fuel or it won't go over well. My truck can actually get closer to 500 miles (800km) per tank and so I don't have to fill the tank more than twice a month unless I go on a long trip. If I switch to CNG I can get a fuel tank that will give me about half this millage but can still also run gas so you could essentially get 750 miles (1200km) per tank for long trips while using both CNG and gasoline. (Use one than the other, not both at the same time.)

    So if I can drive an electric car that distance and can charge it in 15 minutes then it makes sense. We have a guy here at work with a Chevy Volt. He is the plant manager so he was able to get the local power company to install a power station for free at the plant and one downtown. He is the only one that uses these power stations but he hooks up to it every time he comes to work or goes to city hall. City hall is a mile and half from the plant and he lives 10 miles from work. I think he did this so he doesn't need to have a power station at home. Having to "fill up" every day like this because of the very limited millage would be a pain.

    There however are new battery technologies coming down the pipeline than in the next 5 years should GREATLY reduce the charging cycle and greatly INCREASE the power storage capacity. I have seen two totally different battery technologies listed on Popular Science as new technologies. Either one stores 10x as much in the same volume and charges in a very short period of time. I think the one article I saw stated that a standard cell battery would last 10x as long and take less than 15 minutes for a full charge. With batteries like this then it really doesn't matter to limit the power of laptops or tablets and use power sipping components. You could use a full powered desktop setup and still last 8 hours on a battery half the size or smaller than a standard laptop battery...

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    You mean I'm not USAian - AFAIK one of the only 2 non metric countries. But I have been using both miles & kms. For what I am talking about, 300km or 500km doesn't matter much.

    And as I inferred, unlike here, electric in the US is "cleaner" than petroleum based, but whether corn or LPG or whatever HC fuel, it's still carbon and that is the point. Better HC economy helps, but it isn't the fix we need.

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    exactly and as for me I have no preference, I am just cheap

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    But don't forget - we need carbon dioxide to breath!


    LOL! I'm just quoting what another a naive skeptic said on national TV. I tend to view greenhouse skeptics with amazement, but that one caused a laugh greater than most.

    As for being cheap - me too! That's why I'm into prevention rather than cure. But the greenhouse issue is one where I think we are past the point of no return (my limit was 350ppm CO2) so I've sat back to enjoy the ride - fatal as it may be. So whatever reduces YOUR fuel costs is fine by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSpark View Post

    And as I inferred, unlike here, electric in the US is "cleaner" than petroleum based, but whether corn or LPG or whatever HC fuel, it's still carbon and that is the point. Better HC economy helps, but it isn't the fix we need.
    Personally I can see us incorporate a "safe" version of nuclear power called thorium. I have done some research for a class that shows this to be a very safe nuclear power. It was originally researched before the current plutonium/uranium setups. It doesn't have most of the issues standard nuclear power plants have and is safe enough you could likely have them build small enough to power vehicles. Although this would be more likely with things such as trucks or other large vehicles such as trains or large boats. Half life is in hundreds of years instead of thousands, the waste is not anywhere as bad, it is easy to mine, if it has a cooling system failure it is easy to handle without a melt down or any other such issues. Uranium and plutonium can be used as a performance booster which allows it to process waste from conventional plants and make it much safer and drastically reduce its half life. It can also be used to process standard nuclear fuel and war heads as well.

    There is enough thorium on our planet to power the whole planet as its sole energy source for centuries with current technologies and current power needs.

    The worlds first thorium plant recently went online in India and the research on these style reactors is building up. The main reason why this form of nuclear power was never done in the past? Fuel and possibly waste from current power plants can be reprocessed into weapons grade material where as Thorium has no weapon capabilities. From what I read radiation from Thorium is nothing like standard nuclear power plants and doesn't require the heavy lead plating.

    The only issue that I have been able to find with this is that it has to be mined and the process of mining as we all know has its pitfalls.

    But then again we are getting off track of the original posting related to the Tesla car...

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    Here is a short video I filmed at CES in January 2013. As I mention in the description, ignore the bad voice recognition at the beginning, as it is not the cars fault, but the "instructor" telling me to, then himself pushing the wrong button at first. I then looked at the buttons better, and figured it out myself





    Embedding seems to not be working... Here is the DIRECT LINK TO THE VIDEO on youtube...
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    So,

    It's been a bit since I last posted on the forums... I haven't been playing with my carpc for quite a bit, as I bought a new vehicle - and given I am posting this here, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out I have one of the subject matter cars.

    In the US a vehicle to be the main daily driver needs to maintain a minimum of 300 miles (480km) to a tank of fuel or it won't go over well.
    Says who? I have had my model S (85) for nearly 4 months now, and i drive an average of 125miles a day -- which is WAY more than 90% of my co-workers. Most think I am crazy for living so far away. Results of the census reflect that fact, http://www.census.gov/newsroom/relea...s/cb13-41.html

    That said, my car has a range of EPA 265. Could I get 300? Not the way I normally drive - but it is possible.

    So if I can drive an electric car that distance and can charge it in 15 minutes then it makes sense
    REALLY? I have a full *tank* every morning so I don't take any time during the day to "fill her up" and I haven't burned through my charge in a single day (yet, I need to hit a track and play around with the 0-60 in 4.4 seconds thing).

    The one question I get ALL the time about it is "Long Trips" -- as of today, some destinations would be difficult to accomplish with my Model S. Note, I said difficult not "can't" and not "all". Telsa is doing it's part to reduce that issue with SuperChargers (which are free to use for Model S owners) off which there are a number in CA and some on the East Coast. Telsa has promised a literal exposlosion of them by years end. Having looked at thier map of supercharger locations it should make the trip I am most interested in reasonable to do by years end (ie: PA to MI, 500 Miles one-day).

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    As I stated for the "masses" you will need the combination of a longer run time and a short charge time that is easy to find access for anywhere. For people like me that live in an apartment building One of these would be unreasonable to buy because I would have no way to charge it. Not everyone wants to have to hook their car up to a charger over night to get a full charge. But having a way to rapidly charge the car like you can fill a gas tank would be a game changer with over 300 mile range. Make a universal quick charge station and you will likely start finding them at standard gas stations. When anyone can charge them quickly and the price comes down some you will find them around more.

    If I had the money to afford one would I get one? I likely would but I could not use it as my only vehicle. Even if I could charge it I make trips across the state that are 120-180 miles 1 way and thus I could not drive this vehicle. My kids mom lives over 160 miles away and I could never use this car to go pick up my kids or drop them off. I would likely use it mainly to drive back and forth to work and to classes.

    Give me easy to access quick charging and It becomes my daily driver...
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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadedrod View Post
    As I stated for the "masses" you will need the combination of a longer run time and a short charge time that is easy to find access for anywhere.
    Give me easy to access quick charging and It becomes my daily driver...
    Why do you think you're driving situation matches that of the *masses*. Most people don't commute as far as you or I (as I pointed out before). Neither of us fits the *Masses* description.
    While I find it works for me, based on your statement - it most likely won't for you... (yet)


    Here's some links that address some of your comments:
    Consumer Reports take
    SuperCharging
    GoElectric(yes, it's thier website -- check out the supercharging stations and the 2nd link has more info on driving the model s, it's pretty well done)
    http://www.evgonetwork.com/

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