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    Quote Originally Posted by techm3
    FIAT is more the honda of europe.... SEAT is also a parts bin ***** pulling from various other manufacturers... SMART is everyone's ***** MB's bastard child of cheap rides...
    What???? Fiat have a reputation for exceptional poor build quality which they're still trying to shake off and their reliability still leaves something to be desired. They have virtually no performance models (apart from ownership of Ferrari, Maserati etc), no reputation for innovation and they're part-owned by GM. Plus financially they're in the ***** anyways.
    Honda on the other hand also make world-class bikes, F1/champ car/off-shore power boat engines, lawnmowers and even build the odd robot here and there...
    And who are Fiat kidding by sticking their badge on the front of Schumacher's Ferrari...

    I suppose VW are the Honda of Europe, although I'm not sure about their marketing strategy of trying to make a car for virtually every available market.

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    dude, don't try gimme that ****. I work for VW. I admit they are a nice car, but for standard of build quality they just don't compare to a subaru. And as performace, they leave a lot to be desired.. The too fastest vw's we get here are the Bora(Vento) v6 4mot, and the beetle 1.8 turbo. Whilst they do move they arn't exactley sports cars. Were waiting for the golf r32, but im not expecting miracles.
    I jump in hondas, holdens, soobs, toyotas, lexus and there is no pretending, they are either luxury cars, sport cars, or economy cars. VW try to put it all together and it just dun work. Sorry.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzKAOSnz
    Another point.
    Centre of gravity/efficiency
    The mitsi has a transverse/EW Inline four
    The sub has the boxter-longitudinal/NS
    Shouldnt the sub have better handling bcoz of the low centre of gravity....
    wont the evo hav bigger losses because the drivetrain has to be rotated (if u get my meaning)-twice for the backwheels?
    thats all true. its something thats bothered me (as a subaru fan and owner) that the subaru which is in theory a superior engine/drivetrain layout, always seems to lose an edge to the evo.

    Perhaps mitsu's larger bank accounts lets them do more R&D.
    I'd say that the subaru will last you longer than it's mitsu counterpart.
    And I think a subaru currently holds the title in the one lap time attack thing they have in japan. i cant find it with google. its a thing they do where you enter a car at this one track, and you do just one lap as fast as possible. I think the bozz evo had the title for a while then the bozz new age impreza won. but those cars are modded within an inch of their life. if they run more than two laps they overheat and break soon after. they don't reflect on the road cars at all.

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    Subie WRX - 2.0 Turbo AWD, 5SP, Rear LSD, 227HP 210LBS torque - around $25K
    Mitsu Evo - 2.0 Turbo AWD, 5SP, Rear LSD, 271HP, 278LBS torque - around $28K
    Subie STI - 2.5 Turbo AWD, 6SP, Rear and Front LSD, 300HP, 300LBS Tourque - $30K

    And of course all cars come with ABS.

    Reviews have put the Evo and STI side by side, each coming to the top in the own right.

    Personaly I'd rather spend the extra $2K and get the engine with the bigger displacement and lower PSI on the turbo because once that warrantee comes undone you're gonna have more room for play.

    The WRX STI in other parts of the world (AKA not North America) is a turbo 2.0 engine running at nearly the same specs as the Lancer Evo. What does this mean? Again, once warantee goes bye-bye expect to see alot of people in North America with WRX's keeping up with Evo's.

    Also the forester turbo just came out, 210HP and 230LBS of tourque, but reports have been coming in that it's outperforming WRX's, posting higher HP numbers than what Subaru claims and they are the same price. But the Foresters use a 2.5 Turbo versus a 2.0 Turbo.

    The reason why WRX's are so popular is that you have a car with AWD, turbo'd Horizentally Opposed engine (only other company that uses that is Porsche), rear LSD, for $25K that really doesn't need that much options added to it. Since it's a 4 door insurance is very cheap, and because of the 4 door's it's also very usefull at the same time.

    My friend went from a WRX to a STI and his insurance went up all of $30 a month, and that can be racted up to the price difference of the cars since the only difference insurance wise is .5 of liter on the engine.

    My car, after a nice deal, was only $17K - I got a 2002 Outback Sport Impreza in the color I wanted with the options I wanted, other than a 2.5TS Impreza the closest competitor was a Mazda Protege5 that was just FWD and a smaller engine and wasn't worth it without the options that brought it up to $18K and there were a few other cars I was looking at that were the same deal that I can't recall at this time.

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    How is the WRX on road noise and engine noise?
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    Subaru's have been known to have alot of road noise, my NA 2.5 does but a whole lot less than my Miata did so I don't really notice it. But I personally like hearing the engine noise since I drive standard.

    So yeah, if you're use to quiet riding cars you will defenitely notice it.

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    I have owned 4G63 (Eclipse GST), WRX, and STi...
    Both are great performer...
    I really do appreciate both world (4G63 & EJ20/25)

    And soon my best buddy will get himself an EVO. (hehehe.. you know what I mean, I'll have access to it from modifying to driving it)

    The reason why I left Mitsu is the reliability issue on DSM Eclipse
    (excuse DSM, it's not Japan made.. but still I read a lot that EVOs in US are having problem w/ tranny and Mitsu is not being friendly to these claims)
    Mitsubishi is well known of hiding recalls..
    (Second Gen Eclipse's Crankwalk)

    People say WRX has a glass tranny.
    Yes if you abuse it! ! !
    The only problem is clutch judder (to me)
    Subaru admits about thisproblem and fix under warranty (I got a new clutch) (Thumbs up!)


    It took me months to decide on EVO or STi while I owned WRX.
    And finally due to style (I don't like the Cedia based design and the Alteza style tailight), not having AYC, ACD, and 6 speed, and lack of reliability of Mitsubishi, I went for STi (comes w/ everything except the Twin Scroll Turbo that I always wanted)

    I am a big time Subaru fans now and still owns WRX (my sister took this over) and an STi myself.

    I appreciate both world.
    They are great cars!
    But for reliability and BOXER.....
    I'd go for SUBARU.

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    For all of us who have friends to carry around on occasion, I'd rather go with an Evo or a WRX than a Z. Plus the Z is even cramped for ONE person, and I'm short.
    Mitsubishi is definately having troubles with reliability in their Evos, but I rarely hear bad things about Subaru. The US Evo is a relatively new car, and the major issues (like crank walk maybe) haven't had time to show yet. The WRX and STi (based on the WRX) have been around for a while, little to no problems. You will find people in areas where Subarus are more popular, that they see Subarus in the shop all the time... ask them how old they are, chances are the answer is going to be an average of about 10-15 years. I see Subarus that old all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub211
    You will find people in areas where Subarus are more popular, that they see Subarus in the shop all the time... ask them how old they are, chances are the answer is going to be an average of about 10-15 years. I see Subarus that old all the time.
    Very true...
    You guys seen Mitsubishi running that old on the street?
    Probably not

    The only Japanesse cars I know that lasts that long:
    Honda, Toyota, Subaru

    Additional thought why I choose Subaru:
    What other manufacturer give out PDF Service Manuals download for $20 plus tax for 3 days access so all DIY guys can DIY service? BIG THUMBS UP HERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinoBite
    -not quite a daily driver for most
    Hey ... what do you mean by that? I always thought that was an advantage with those types of cars?
    Thought they were more of a daily driver than lets say my camaro.
    Is is the suspension too rough for most? Or hte handling not great for all weather conditions?
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