Thread: Need i say more

Originally Posted by Supermike

This is the OFF-TOPIC forum, and this is off-topic. Am I miss'in something. Besides it is an interesting read of 2 blatantly biased opinions in a struggle for our hearts and minds :-D

IMHO I don't like either of them, but will still vote. I agree with Bush on some things and with Kerry on others. There are other issues however that are more fundamental and will not be addressed by either candidate in a serious way. Foremost in my mind is the weakening of the economy (and therefore security) over the long term through allowing the export of our jobs and technology - and if you flame me for this, please don't give me that crap about free enterprise. Fact is that this country along with any other has the obligation to look after it's industries and workers before the short term profits of a few greedy corporations. Also consider that a job lost and not recovered is still one more person you and I will have to pay for one way or another. We expect other countries to be defensive about protecting their industries and jobs, but this country seems to want to give them away. The only reason the technology jobs are being sent overseas is because it is allowed to happen.

Actually it applies to more than just tech jobs, CAFTA and expanded agreements for moving goods in this country will put huge strains on American farmers who will need to unfairly compete with produce from south of the boarder. Also Mexican truckers will be able to deliver goods anywhere in this country soon with the new rules from the Bush administration (before they were limited to boarder areas). Expect to see alot more produce from Mexico and SA in the grocery stores.

I remember when NAFTA was signed and the manufacturing workers lost their jobs - the hope then was that they would re-train for tech sector jobs. Even if they did, now what, medical jobs, government jobs? Maybe a one way ticket to Bangalore? That is not to say that tech jobs are not out there, but there is certainly no upward momentum in that area from what I have seen (at least in this country).

Competition is a good thing, but not when it is an uneven field. And not when you stand to loose more that you gain. All this is fueling is a race to the bottom for US wages and benefits when the jobs start slipping and we find that we HAVE to compete with 2nd and 3 world wages. We may also be helping to build the economies and technological base of our future adversaries, at the same time weakening our base of technology and our ability to be self-sufficient.


I think I went into a manifesto here, sorry bout that. Anytime I get started on this I have a hard time stopping myself

Don't stop. I always like reading posts from people who know what their talking about!

Originally Posted by TruckinMP3

Back off and post something about cars and computers.

What do you mean backoff? I haven't said anything that would require backing off.

If you are refering to the "moron"; then check his avatar. I was referring to him by his avatar not his "name".

For his long history of anti-gun rights votes and positions, he consistently receives a 100-percent rating from the Brady Campaign (Handgun Control Inc.), the American Bar Association`s Special Committee on Gun Violence and from the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (formerly the National Coalition to Ban Handguns). All of these groups deny the existence of an individual right to keep and bear arms, and some are actively using the courts in an attempt to destroy Americans` Second Amendment freedoms.

I think you are misdirecting your feelings towards these groups at Kerry. This article doesn’t say that Kerry fully, whole heartedly endorses the beliefs of these groups. All it states is that these groups give Kerry a 100% rating. It’s a stretch to blame Kerry for another groups endorsement. The Brady Campaign isn’t about abolishing Second Amendment freedoms anyway, its about ensuring safe people are allowed to enjoy that right. Which I fully believe in. I see nothing wrong with a background check before you purchase a firearm. I would even, personally, give up my right to bear arms if it would prevent another Columbine, or DC Sniper, etc. Not that I dislike guns, but it would be a self-sacrifice for the benefit of a greater good. Do you not feel the same? It will never happen, not in a million years will guns be banned in America, that is a fact. But I see nothing wrong with more measures in attempt to make things safer.

On issues directly affecting Second Amendment rights, Kerry has voted 51 of 55 times against you on the floor of the Senate. For all we`ve read lately about how enemies of the Second Amendment are shying away from the "gun control" issue in this election year, a series of votes in the U.S. Senate in March changed all that, with Kerry eagerly taking center stage.

I would like to see what these 51 out of 55 votes were on. Without that information spout out his voting record means nothing. Maybe NRA members are more up-to-date on that stuff, but I am not

In working to sabotage S.1805--the NRA-backed legislation to stop the endless series of predatory lawsuits aimed at strangling the law-abiding firearms industry--Kerry voted to extend the Clinton gun ban on semi-autos, to make now-legal private gun sales at gun shows criminal acts, and voted to support Ted Kennedy`s ammunition ban, which would have prohibited most centerfire hunting rounds.Where Kerry says he "will defend hunting rights," the accolades of "animal rights" activists tell a different story.

S.1805 has nothing to do with the rest of this paragraph and I’m not sure what the author is trying to say placing them together. I support S.1805 because manufactures should not be responsible for the actions of the people who use their product. However, I feel the author is again stretching the truth about ‘make now-legal private gun sales at gun shows criminal acts’ everything I have seen and read on this subject suggests they are trying to enforce more background checks when purchasing items at gun shows. Again I support this, as you can see in my first paragraph, because it is in attempt to make things safer for society. Does it suck a little, sure it does but there are a lot of things in this world that suck a little. Look at the speed limit for instance. 75mph on the highway is way to slow for me. But I suck it up. I'm not sure what center-fire ammo is, and I have no knowledge of the ban on it Kennedy is supporting so I'll need more info on that.

The Humane Society of the United States and Fund for Animals--both rabidly anti-hunting--gave John Kerry a 100 percent mark for the first session of the current Congress. They cited John Kerry as among Senators who have "compiled consistently excellent voting records on animal issues . . ." and who "have emerged as animal protection leaders . . . Kerry has cosponsored almost every piece of animal protection legislation . . . introduced on behalf of animals."

Again there is a lack of hard information here. They are making broad assumptions of vague statements. For all I know from this paragraph is that Kerry supports the Humane Society in their support of better treatment for house pets. It mentions NOTHING about hunting (which I assume you are referring to since this is an NRA supportive article) except that these groups believe in anti-hunting, and also says nothing about pets, all it really says is that another society supports Kerry. Again I feel you are misplacing your dislike of the Humane Society and Fund for Animals towards Kerry. I feel it is ignorant of people who will shape their opinion based on the opinion of others groups. It’s like kids in elementary school… “Billy says you’re dumb, so I say you’re too” I need more evidence or proof to shape an opinion about Kerry on the topics covered in that article.

You funny guy! Want to start comparing level of education, be my guest!

If you guys can't keep the thread civil without flaming each other I'm going to lock the thread.

Originally Posted by bgoodman

wow... when did you get moderator privs?

last night.

Watch out...there is a new Sheriff in town.... dun dun dunnnnnnnn