Thread: Need i say more

The Brady Campaign isn’t about abolishing Second Amendment freedoms anyway, its about ensuring safe people are allowed to enjoy that right.

Untrue The Brady campaign is nothing more than Handgun Control Inc renamed. Here's a direct quote: "We must get rid of all the guns."
--Sarah Brady, speaking on behalf of Handgun Control Inc
Phil Donahue Show, September 1994
--- with Sheriff Jay Printz & others

I would even, personally, give up my right to bear arms if it would prevent another Columbine, or DC Sniper, etc.

You do realize that had they not had guns the damage at Columbine would have been more extensive due to the 25lb propane bombs that they spent a year building? Also, one armed campus security officer could have ended the whole thing. And while I'm on the subject, ask the woman whose parents died in the Texas McDonalds shooting how she feels about gun control. Had she had her personal firearm with her at the time her parents would probably still be alive (I heard her speak on a radio program with Ted Nugent about it in 93 or 94).

I would like to see what these 51 out of 55 votes were on. Without that information spout out his voting record means nothing. Maybe NRA members are more up-to-date on that stuff, but I am not

I'll see what I can come up with for you.

I'm not sure what center-fire ammo is, and I have no knowledge of the ban on it Kennedy is supporting so I'll need more info on that.

Centerfire ammo is any ammunition in which the primer (the part the firing pin strikes to make the round go off) is located in the center of the base of the cartridge. As opposed to a rimfire cartridge where the firing pin strikes the rim of the cartridge to make it fire. The difference between them is relevant because there is no such thing as a powerful rimfire cartridge due to the fact that in order to make large amounts of powder burn you need consistent ignition which is not present in a rimfire cartridge. This is significant since every medium to large game cartridge in the world is centerfire. The only hunting that rimfire cartridges are sufficient for is small game (squirrels, rabbit, etc.). Banning centerfire ammunition would amount to banning all handguns, hunting rifles, sporting shotguns, and any other firearm that uses a centerfire cartridge due to the fact that owning ammunition for them would be illegal.

Or that they had been breeding hordes of killer giant mantis' and we are just lucky that they weren't unleashed on the unsuspecting public.

Maybe had she trained in the ways of the ninja her parents would still be alive too.

LOL, OK you got me there. I sometimes get a little carried away when it comes to the 2nd amendment, I will now get down off my soap box. I will however leave you guys with a couple of links if anyone wants to do any reading on gun control and the history of it.

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership: http://www.jpfo.org/
National Rifle Association: http://www.nra.org/

Originally Posted by judoGTI

Anti Gun! <- what's wrong with this? What has he done to make guns illegal? Being anti something is an AMERICAN right, since you are so up on being patriotic (which doesn't just mean pro-military as I feel you think thats what it means) but I haven't seen him hamper anything on the second ammendment that is broadscale. If you have proof please do share.

Anti Military! <- Explain this too. Just because he was anti Vietnam? That was was a mistake, everyone can agree on that today. He was against the reason for the military action. OR do you have more proof that he is anti-military? If he is elected, has he said he will disband them? Again, all Im asking for is proof of these statements. Bush was never in the military. National Guard? Even then it's been shown to be sketchy, and he never served in a war, so I think Kerry is more pro-military than Bush.

Anti Life! (or Pro Abortion whichever your prefer) <- What's wrong with this one? And the correct term would be pro-choice, because Im sure Mr. Kerry doesn't wish for all pregnancies to be terminated. That would surely cause repopulation problems within the US. I think more pregnancies need to be terminated by people who are not ready or capable of raising kids. I didn't say having kids, because every female (for the most part) can have one, but its the idiots that can't raise them that cause our tax dollars to go to social services. It's the dumb ones that breed the most, because they are dumb and don't know when to pull out.

Anti Morals (or Pro Fag whichever you prefer) <- This is an amazing statement. Anti-moral? What does morals have to do with sexual preference? Gay people have been proven to have higher incomes (majority speaking) than straight, therefore they pay more in taxes, and by your arguements above, that makes them more patriotic. I say as long as you pay your taxes and don't hurt anybody, I don't care what you do. The statement you should have said was Anti Catholic, not anti moral. Moral encopass a far greater expanse than sexual preference.

Anti Law Enforcement <- I'd just like to see evidence of this, I've never heard of it in the least bit from either presidental candidate.

Anti Small Government <- You must not be up on your history of the GOP. They are VERY anti small government. Where as the democratics have traditionally been very pro laissez-faire. But once again I challenge you to show a shred of evidence on this.

Since the party shift in the 60's, republicans have been the champions of laissez-faire economics. however, they are also the ones trying to legislate morality.

Kerry is indeed anti-gun. most democrats are. (not all, but most. it's part of the "party platform") The reason they arent really playing on that like they have in the past is they're realizing that there's a lot of very liberal gun owners out there who would rather have their guns than a liberal president. Kerry doesnt want to alienate those potential voters.

"anti law-enforcement". i dont get it... is he talking about giving law enforcement more power than it already has, like clipper chips, electronic survellance, unauthorized wire tapping? I dont want that. I personally think "law enforcement" should be reigned in, because i personally feel they have too much power. there's power to use, and power to abuse. they're starting to be given the power to abuse.

In regards to the abortion stuff... Welfare should stop paying out for extra children. "welfare mothers" have become too common. while i personally would rather stop entitlements all together, i know that wont happen. Beyond that, abortion itself should be illegal, because a woman isnt making a decision about her body at that point. I dont mind preventative birth control, i absolutely cannot stand after the fact birth control.

"anti morals". *sigh*... NorthGAVigor, you arent doing the conservative argument any favors. have you people ever heard the phrase "hate the sin, love the sinner"? the same applies here. I personally dont feel comfortable around homosexuals, but that doesnt mean i wont at least be civil.. and treat them like any other human being. In regards to the proposed amendment banning homosexual marriage, i find it extremely sad that our country has stooped so low that we'd have to make an amendment to the US constitution, which is supposed to protect citizens from the horrors of their own government, which defines who someone may marry. I am not For or Against this amendment. I simply find it very sad that we've stooped to this low.

Originally Posted by smashr2k

I support background checks before anyone can exercise their constitutionally protected right to free speech. Someone who is exercising their right to free speech can be VERY dangerous, so law abiding citizens should have no problem consenting to background checks and a 7 day waiting period before they talk freely.

The NRA also supported the NIBC (national instant background check) but they do not support the 7 day (in cali it's 10 day) waiting period.

Originally Posted by judoGTI

I was mistaken then, but this does not negate the fact that the original poster is directing his dislike of the Brady Campaign towards Kerry, merely because they support him. If Kerry came out and said "We must get rid of all the guns." then he would have an arguement.

I do beleive you would feel differently if the NRA came out and supported a certain cantidate who actually had a shot, with a 100% approval rating. I do beleive you would hold that against him.

Considering they are supporting him, he must aggree (100%) with their views, because he does have a (100%) approval rating. So trying to separate the 2 is moot. regardless of whether or not they're butt-buddies (kerry and HCI) they want the same thing.

Originally Posted by Jailer

Untrue The Brady campaign is nothing more than Handgun Control Inc renamed. Here's a direct quote: "We must get rid of all the guns."
--Sarah Brady, speaking on behalf of Handgun Control Inc
Phil Donahue Show, September 1994
--- with Sheriff Jay Printz & others
You do realize that had they not had guns the damage at Columbine would have been more extensive due to the 25lb propane bombs that they spent a year building? Also, one armed campus security officer could have ended the whole thing. And while I'm on the subject, ask the woman whose parents died in the Texas McDonalds shooting how she feels about gun control. Had she had her personal firearm with her at the time her parents would probably still be alive (I heard her speak on a radio program with Ted Nugent about it in 93 or 94). I'll see what I can come up with for you. Centerfire ammo is any ammunition in which the primer (the part the firing pin strikes to make the round go off) is located in the center of the base of the cartridge. As opposed to a rimfire cartridge where the firing pin strikes the rim of the cartridge to make it fire. The difference between them is relevant because there is no such thing as a powerful rimfire cartridge due to the fact that in order to make large amounts of powder burn you need consistent ignition which is not present in a rimfire cartridge. This is significant since every medium to large game cartridge in the world is centerfire. The only hunting that rimfire cartridges are sufficient for is small game (squirrels, rabbit, etc.). Banning centerfire ammunition would amount to banning all handguns, hunting rifles, sporting shotguns, and any other firearm that uses a centerfire cartridge due to the fact that owning ammunition for them would be illegal.

Beyond that, Rimfire cartridges cant be reloaded by home users, while most centerfire cartridges can. I beleive that is where the real point of banning them lies. depending on how nice they are to the brass, and if they have enough bullets, a single brass case can be used 20, 30, 40 times or more.