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    That’s okay that you don't believe in Jesus let alone god. That’s okay that you try to put God in your man made box. That’s okay that you renounce Jesus. God made us with free will. However there are eternal consequences to pay. One day God is going to ask you two questions. 1. What did you do with my son Jesus (did you accept my sacrifice for the sin of man) 2. What did you with the gifts I blessed you with?

    When I was a "Non believer" I always laughed at Christians and thought it was so lame how they quoted from their religious book. Look at me now. God has really changed life. I was talking to friend last night about the "Life" i feel at church and how many ways god has revealed himself to me. When God places his hand on your life, all the deception and the lies seem to fade away.

    This breeds terms like "Crazy Christians" because we are bold enough to take a stand on something according to Gods word. We seem like radicals, but we really stand firm and dare to say that the road is narrow not wide that leads to God.

    If you were to ask me 5 years ago if I would ever see my self as a Christian, I would start laughing at you, and maybe even ask if you are serious. But when God puts his hand on your life he brings you to place (this place I was relating to Gambit32 situation which started this whole discussion) through his love so that you will be able to see the truth, a place where all pretences and intellectual arguments mean nothing. There is just truth.

    When I asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior he lifted all of the spiritual oppression, drugs and hate that was on my life, I felt like an anvil was lifted from my head and shoulders and that I was free. I began to read the bible and I disagreed with some things but the things I had problems with I asked God, I asked him with an open mind to reveal the truth in these situations. Everything that I asked in this way God did reveal himself and his Word still stands as truth.

    To tell you the truth eatyummiepuppies I really have no intentions of changing your mind, or your beliefs. The very spirit that you renounce is the only one that can bring you to that place where you will turn to him. You will have ample opportunities to accept and believe. It seems that you are firm in your belief structure and I admire the intelligence that you portray. I respect your opinion.

    The only thing that we Christians can do is pray, Pray a specific prayer, daily. To ask God to bind the hand of the enemy, to bind the spiritual oppression that is in your life, to loose the Holy Spirit in your life to woo you close to himself. That God would put the right people in your life and put the right situations in your life to break the chains that keep you in bondage that fill your life with hate for the truth.

    I encourage all that pray to god to pray a prayer similar to the above for the battle is spiritual not on this forum.
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    Evolution is only a theory insofar as we cannot go back in time and observe, on a molecular level, every mutation of every genome since the beginning of life on Earth. Logically speaking though, if random mutations occur, thusly will evolution; all that need be proven is the former. And the phenomenon of random mutation has been well documented thousands of times over. In fact, the entire process of evolution has been observed as well. The only "leap of faith" required of an "evolutionist" is to believe that what happens now has happened in the past.

    Antimatter, your threats, indeed the basis of your religion, make me giggle hysterically-- keep them coming. I'll tell you, though, I'm sure to your dismay, that I am stunning success in life; my future looks brighter by the day. Now I have a postulate: A man that is functioning incorrectly (ie. in opposition to his own life) may become religious; his relationship to reality remains same, erroneous, only now he is validated for it. This will not occur to the man whose thinking is proper.

    I swear, you christians are cuter than a basket of kittens, kittens with a pathological aversion to reality and nuclear capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatyummypuppies
    if random mutations occur, thusly will evolution
    You are right to a certain extent. They will evolve horizontaly within species but not betwen species

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    Antimatter, your threats, indeed the basis of your religion
    Not threats, I am sorry you find my words threatining, they weren't meant to be.

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    I'm sure to your dismay, that I am stunning success in life
    Actually i am happy for you, that is great to hear. My prayer still stands though

    Quote Originally Posted by eatyummypuppies
    A man that is functioning incorrectly (ie. in opposition to his own life) may become religious; his relationship to reality remains same, erroneous, only now he is validated for it. This will not occur to the man whose thinking is proper.
    This could not be more far from the truth

    Truth be told you and smalldog have the aversion to reality.
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    I thought we were going to keep this civil, why is there hostility? @eatyummypuppies, You call these "threats"? Yet they make you laugh, we are crazy Christians and cuter than a basket of kittens, how does this mix with threats?

    Quote: "I'm sure to your dismay, that I am stunning success in life; my future looks brighter by the day". End Quote.
    This success in your life is great! (and it came by your works, right?)
    I, (rather God) recommends that you watch this pride, this will be your fall.

    Quote: "Now I have a postulate: A man that is functioning incorrectly (ie. in opposition to his own life) may become religious". end Quote.

    So, Christians are people that have "functioned incorrectly"?
    If this is the case, than these people are now functioning correctly because of their belief? Awesome! I knew God works in peoples lives.

    Evolution? Here's something I read recently, of course it is written by a Christian man:

    The biggest hoax of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries is
    that evolution is a scientific fact. Certainly it is a widely accepted
    theory of man’s origin and development, advanced chiefly by those
    who reject belief in God, but theories are not scientific fact. The
    hypothesis that traces man’s lineage back to spontaneous generation
    (life from nonlife, man from ooze and amoebas) has never been sus-
    tained. Spontaneous generation has not been scientifically proved,
    and there is mounting evidence to the contrary. A growing number
    of nontheistic scientists admit to a startling lack of evidence to sup-
    port the theory of evolution.
    Because the universe came into being before any human was
    around to witness the event, it is impossible to verify what happened
    except by the witness of God. In fact, the best evidence for evolution
    should appear in fossils embedded in rocks, but so many questions
    arise in this study (paleontology) that even many evolutionary pale-
    ontologists put little stock in the fossil record. Basing one’s belief in
    evolution on the shaky ground of paleontology can scarcely be con-
    sidered scientific.
    “The more one studies paleontology,” says L. T. More, “the
    more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone;
    exactly the same sort of faith which is necessary to have when one
    encounters the great mysteries of religion. . . . The only alternative is
    the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but is irra-
    tional.”
    Dr. David Raup, curator of geology at the Field Museum of Nat-
    ural History in Chicago, stated that the “250,000 species of plants
    and animals recorded and deposited in museums throughout the
    world did not support the gradual unfolding hoped for by Dar-
    win.” ~
    Dr. Robert A. Millikan, a physicist and Nobel Prize winner,
    stated in a speech before the American Chemical Society, “The
    pathetic thing about it is that many scientists are trying to prove the
    doctrine of evolution, which no science can do.”
    Karl Popper, in his autobiography, Unended Quest, goes further
    than Millikan: “I have come to the conclusion that Darwinism is not
    a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research pro-
    gramme—a possible framework for testable scientific theories.” My
    first experience with evolution probably best illustrates why
    so many accept as fact such an unscientific theory. In my junior-high
    biology textbook, I saw with my own eyes a picture of the missing
    link. As a matter of fact, I saw four of them: photographs of the
    Java man, the Putdown man, Pithecanthro pus erectus, and Peking
    man. These photos of manlike creatures really shook my faith in the
    Bible, thus fulfilling the intentions of their humanist inventors.
    Subsequent research disclosed that all four of those “missing
    links” were frauds—nothing more than one or two bones or teeth of
    humans or animals. From a few bones, scientists or educators made
    plaster-of-Paris models, photographed them, and put them in our
    science textbooks. It is no wonder that so many Americans believe
    that man descended from monkeys, even though not one scientific
    fact can prove such a fantastic claim.
    Two other “proofs” of evolution have since been tossed in the
    cosmic wastepaper basket: England’s peppered moth and Archaeo-
    raptor. Both had been used for many years to brainwash naive
    school children with the theory of evolution. Now it turns out that
    both were fakes.
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    British scientist Cyril Clarke spent twenty-five years investigat-
    ing the peppered moth and found that H. B. Kettlewell, who once
    boasted that had Darwin known about these moths “he would have
    witnessed the consummation and confirmation of his life’s work,”
    was dishonest in his presentation of the facts. When humans glue
    dead moths to trees so birds can eat them, one gets the feeling that
    the theory is crumbling. The moths that were filmed being eaten by
    birds were actually bred in the laboratory and placed on tree trunks
    by Kettlewell. University of Chicago evolutionary biologist, Jerry
    Coyne, agrees that the peppered moth story, which was “the prize
    horse in our stable,” has to be thrown out.
    Chinese paleontologist Xu Xing contends that Archaeoraptor,
    long used by evolutionists as “proof” that birds evolved from
    dinosaurs, is a combination of two fossils: one of the body and head
    of a birdlike creature and the other of the tail of a dinosaur. Xing
    says he has found another fossil, in a private collection in China,
    that contains the mirror image of the supposed tail of the Archaeo-
    raptor. National Geographic magazine published a note in its
    March 2000 issue saying that CT scans of the fossil appear to con-
    firm Xing’s observations and “revealed anomalies in the fossil’s
    reconstruction.” The magazine said details “will be published as
    soon as the studies are completed.”
    Translation: We have been lied to again!

    Evolutionists want us to believe that a great miracle (sponta-
    neous generation) happened three and one-half billion years ago
    and that life, contrary to any observable scientific evidence, devel-
    oped into higher and higher forms until man resulted. This is the
    supposedly scientific theory that causes humanists to insist man will
    continue to get better and better.
    George Wald acknowledged the bizarre nature of this belief and
    yet wrote, “One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task
    [getting life from nonlife] to concede that the spontaneous genera-
    tion of a living organism is impossible. Yet here we are—as a result,
    I believe, of spontaneous generation.”
    Spontaneous generation is not the conclusion of science but of
    belief. Wald further admitted that spontaneous generation is a mira-
    cle: “Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we
    have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as
    impossible on the basis of human experiences is meaningless here.
    Given so much time the ‘impossible’ becomes possible, the possible
    probable, and the probable virtually certain. One has only to watt:
    Time itself performs miracles.”
    Evolutionists want us to believe that something happened sev-
    eral billion years ago—a biological accident, which man in his most
    technologically advanced laboratories cannot reproduce today. The
    process of evolution demands a miracle—in fact, several miracles.
    Dr. Richard Bliss, former professor of biology and science education
    at Christian Heritage College, has asserted, “The miracles required
    to make evolution feasible are far greater in number and far harder
    to believe than the miracle of creation.”
    Now, if it takes a miracle either way, doesn’t it seem more rea-
    sonable to believe that those miracles were performed by a Miracle
    Worker with infinite intelligence? After all, nearly everyone
    acknowledges that the atom, life, and the whole universe reveal
    infinite design. “Everywhere we look,” says physicist Paul Davies,
    “from the far-flung galaxies to the deepest recesses of the atom, we
    encounter regularity and intricate organization Moreover, the
    behavior of physical systems is not haphazard, but lawful and sys-
    tematic. “
    The theory of evolution is a philosophy based on faith, not hard
    scientific fact. “It is,” says Phillip Johnson, “sustained largely by a
    propaganda campaign that relies on all the usual tricks of rhetorical
    persuasion: hidden assumptions, question-begging statements of
    what is at issue, terms that are vaguely defined and change their
    meaning in midargument, attacks on straw men, selective citation of
    evidence, and so on. The theory is also protected by its cultural
    importance. It is the officially sanctioned creation story of modern
    society, and publicly funded educational authorities spare no effort
    to persuade people to believe in it.”
    Nancy Pearcey makes the same point when she says, “Darwin-
    ism has become our culture’s official creation myth, protected by a
    priesthood as dogmatic as any religious curia.” She notes that biol-
    ogy professor Kevin Haley was fired from his teaching position for
    exposing “students to flaws in evolutionary theory.” Little wonder
    Pearcey subtitles her article “Defenders of Darwinism Resort to
    Suppressing Data and Teaching Outright Falsehoods.”
    By contrast, real science is a method of investigation based on
    the study of cold, hard facts. Therefore, evolution is unscientific!
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimatter
    there are eternal consequences to pay
    This is your threat, the threat of christianity. And incidentally, each time you tell this to a child, a stitch in the shroud of humanity is sewn.


    I have no intention of debating scientific evidence with all of you, mostly because you are incapable of it. Muldrick exemplifies this with the anti-evolution materials of christian origin he has so diligently copied and pasted from, undoubtedly, a forwarded email. None of you will pour over works that clash with your religion; you will flock to whatever confirms what you already believe; what makes you feel good by validating you. This is what I mean when I say "pathological aversion to reality." Would you ever consider thoroughly reading and grasping the works of Nietzsche, a man lovingly dubbed "The Anti-Christ?" I think not. How can you fail to recognize this behavior in yourself? Are you blind?

    One may think of questioning my credibility. To that I will only affirm that I am not a hypocrite, and without bragging, that I am well-read is evident. But undeniably, at least one of you is now weighing the prospect of a lie: "I can say that I do investigate these things. How can he prove that I don't? Will I get caught?" If that thought flashed through your head, then it's a sign; an alarm signal alerting you that the state of your mind is not right.

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    ugh...how did we get from the guy getting told he was going to get divorsed to this?

    *sighs* continue the onslaught of religious and scientific crap...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kandyman676
    ugh...how did we get from the guy getting told he was going to get divorsed to this?

    *sighs* continue the onslaught of religious and scientific crap...
    I've wondered that myself..lol. Actually it's been pretty civil and I think it's interesting. There's been very little in way of flaming and lots of food for thought. This really reminds me of the book 'Angels and Demons' by Dan Brown. It pretty much deals with science v. faith. A good read if you're into intellectual thrillers. If you liked the DaVinci Code then you'll love Angels and Demons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatyummypuppies
    I have no intention of debating scientific evidence with all of you, mostly because you are incapable of it. Muldrick exemplifies this with the anti-evolution materials of christian origin he has so diligently copied and pasted from, undoubtedly, a forwarded email. None of you will pour over works that clash with your religion; you will flock to whatever confirms what you already believe; what makes you feel good by validating you. This is what I mean when I say "pathological aversion to reality." Would you ever consider thoroughly reading and grasping the works of Nietzsche, a man lovingly dubbed "The Anti-Christ?" I think not. How can you fail to recognize this behavior in yourself? Are you blind?
    I told you I read this, from a book, not a forwarded email. (Does it matter were I got it?)
    By each reply that you post, I can see that you are threatened... do you wonder why? I repeat, do you wonder why????
    I have read and learned many writings that clash with my faith, remember school!
    You are exactly right that I will not consider reading anymore of the "opposing" nonsense. I do not fail to recognize this behaviour in myself. Because I now know the Truth. (Capital "T")
    You are in my prayers bud, are you threatened by this!
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    ugh, please stop the who is right and wrong between god vs science, god vs. no god, etc. it will only result in massive head trama and ego brawls as already displayed.

    each of the sides will have their good and bad points...but all it comes down to in the end is what your perception of the truth you accept.
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