Thread: Underwear Goes Inside The Pants

He is a hack because there is nothing of artistic or intellectual value in this "song". It is a hodgepodge of sociological stereotypes. Comedy is meant to make people laugh at these things, and is not meant for deep philosophical thought, as it does not raise the right questions or pose any answers. Worse this song just serves to paliferate (sp) the stereotypical ideas and for one purpose, this artist’s quick buck. The are hacks in the music industry as well, the act of covering another bands song does not in itself make a band a hack, its the way in which the material is presented. This artist in my opinion has failed miserably in this regard.

You asked for my opinion, and here it is. The man is a hack.

that's cool, and I can understand where you are coming from, however I don't agree

this is ONE song that the man has come out with....I have yet to listen to all of his other songs so I can't say if they all follow this same pattern, if so, then yes, I can agree.

But, on the same account, bands who sing about things that they believe strongly in should fall into the same category, no?

Say, A Perfect Circle? Who put out a flash animation over the net to one of their songs. I believe it was Sheep something....something to do with sheep in the title.....it was just them pushing their beliefs about the current political situation.....a stereotype of the Bush administration.....now, befor you or anyone else turns this into a political debate, I want to try and avoid that....none of us can know fully what goes inside the whitehouse, or the government for that matter.....

Under your same points, any band who sings to promote their views would be a hack then, no?

and, btw, thanks for just having a conversation with me, it's rare to find someone who can converse about a subject that requires even a smigen of intelectual thought and not get all worked up that someone is taking a personal stab at them

hehehe

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"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums." I think is the song that you are referring to.

There are many differences between this song and the one above.

First for reference here is the first verse.
"Don't fret precious I'm here, step away from the window
Go back to sleep
Safe from pain and truth and choice and other poison devils,
See, they don't give a ***** about you, like I do."

1. Use of assonance the words "choice" and "poison" share vowel sounds, as do "you" and "do" (perfect rhyme).

2. the music is written by the artist. I do not know much of music theory so i will not venture in to the details, but i personally have been listening to maynard's music since i was in 8th grade, and he is in my opinion quite musically talented.

3. Abstract thought. While this song is not acknowledged as one of his best, It still contains imagery and leads the listener to make there own conclusions on the message within the song, if in fact there even is one. Some people listen to this song and think that he is talking about Bush addressing Americans, implying that they need not worry he is their savior, others think that the song is about Maynard's son Devo. The song this thread is about leads a listener where? What images/thoughts does it invoke?

Also as you stated an artist can have a song that is bad and the rest of the artists work can be very good. Being that this is the first that I have heard of lazyboy, I am taking an guess in saying that the rest of his work is not likely to get better and he will most likely be a one song wonder. Perfect Circle, Tool and Maynard on the other hand have been around for quite while, and have proven track records with their fans.

I to am enjoying the conversation, it is amazing how you find in discussing something so much more about your own opinion and the reasons that you hold it, then you had ever just "known" before the discussion.

Originally Posted by alti

"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums." I think is the song that you are referring to.

yes, that's the song I was referring to!

There are many differences between this song and the one above.

First for reference here is the first verse.
"Don't fret precious I'm here, step away from the window
Go back to sleep
Safe from pain and truth and choice and other poison devils,
See, they don't give a ***** about you, like I do."

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2. the music is written by the artist. I do not know much of music theory so i will not venture in to the details, but i personally have been listening to maynard's music since i was in 8th grade, and he is in my opinion quite musically talented.

I am deffinately not arguing the point that he is talented, I enjoy his music and agree with you on this statement.

3. Abstract thought. While this song is not acknowledged as one of his best, It still contains imagery and leads the listener to make there own conclusions on the message within the song, if in fact there even is one. Some people listen to this song and think that he is talking about Bush addressing Americans, implying that they need not worry he is their savior, others think that the song is about Maynard's son Devo. The song this thread is about leads a listener where? What images/thoughts does it invoke?

While I agree that music should do just that, as should reading. It should take you to a place that you imagine when you listen to or read of it....this is part of the reason music and literature has been such an important part of human existance. However, when it's placed on their own web site and eMotive is an antire album dedicated to Bush bashing....I don't believe that they have left much to the imagination....

for instance:

http://www.aperfectcircle.com/bodies.html

Also as you stated an artist can have a song that is bad and the rest of the artists work can be very good. Being that this is the first that I have heard of lazyboy, I am taking an guess in saying that the rest of his work is not likely to get better and he will most likely be a one song wonder. Perfect Circle, Tool and Maynard on the other hand have been around for quite while, and have proven track records with their fans.

Agreed, to a point. Every one of the artests/bands that you mentioned above has a song or two that was horribly written. Yet the rest of their music is absolutely great. I think I may try and find a few more from Lazyboy and see what I think...

I to am enjoying the conversation, it is amazing how you find in discussing something so much more about your own opinion and the reasons that you hold it, then you had ever just "known" before the discussion.

agreed!

Originally I believe this song was on the album 13th step before it was on the "Bush bashing record" and that is why there is some debate as to its original meaning. And even if the song is pushing an anti-bush agenda, it is doing so in a artistic and thought provoking way. It is not just throwing out clichés that have nothing to do with the premise.

Let me know if you enjoy any of lazyboys other works, you are far more open minded to a second chance for him then I.

i really don't care if the song is a hack...the sad part is most of it is very close to true. :-P I first heard it on the radio, then found it on someone's blog.

Originally Posted by Peoples

also, 35 years ago the mimum wage was $1.30

probably talking about that relative to inflation

Originally Posted by got2liv4him

probably talking about that relative to inflation

yeah - I think we covered that

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doh *slaps himself on the forehead*