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    scouce...yeah well you suck! :P JP haha...Euro/JDM spec cars are allways better then USDM. I'd love to see pics of your 306. I love the 306

    Rushn, I'm just goin off of what my friends wrx ran stock. It ran low 16 seconds here fully stock. When we did the 15psi boost mod, it ran 15 seconds. Then we did a BOV...and I didn't think that would help..but he was able to run a 14.9. Then we did a Down Pipe, and it ran 14. We did up pipe, it did 13.5. Then we installed a manual boost controler and upped the boost to 16-17 and ran a 12 second....but at specific points the car would have fuel cut off since it has a fully stock engine managment system.

    And Its not like I'm not gonna get another car. One way or another I'm gettin an evo, there are used ones:

    So far whats availible in my area:
    2 2005 MR's = 40k
    1 2004 8 = 36k (they will cut me a deal)
    1 Used 2004 RS = 28k
    1 Used 2004 8 30k
    1 Used 2003 8 26k
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    Quote Originally Posted by nFiniteTuning
    Uhm, HAHA yes I can....$1800 take home exactly. The car payment will be 560 a month, Insurance is 300 a month, that leaves me with 940 a month to play with.
    play with? you mean pay for food, utilities, gas, and rent? You mentioned a fiance, so you can't be living with your parents after the wedding.

    And I do not want to inform my parents on the new car thing, cause I wont hear the end of it.[...]and my brothers tell me I need to get my own place[...]
    Sounds to me like you might not be living with your parents when they find out you bought a $37,000 car. I did some math, and the only way you are getting it for $560 a month is with a 72-month term. Think about that--6 friggin years. Would you be at all excited about getting a $560 payment on a 2001 Evo? Doubtful.

    You also gotta think about crap you don't think about. What if you lose this job, for whatever reason? You won't be able to sell the car and cover what you owe because the term is so long. You need to have some money saved up incase something like that happens, and with almost half your income dedicated to a new toy, I don't forsee you saving any money for contigencies. You are gonna set yourself up for some REALLY hard times if you buy this car.
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    No, dude re read my post. Play with meaning I have nothing else to pay for. Food, Gas And utilities are allready covered...And yes its a 72 month term. I wanted an 80 month term but he said my percentage will go up for that...and 2001 Evo? Its a 2004 BRAND NEW EVO8. It has 15 miles on the odometer, HID Headlights, Leather Recaro Interior, 6 Disc In Dash Changer, you name it, it has it. And I Wont lose my job for 8 years. ITs a contract. If they hire me, They will not fire me for a very long time unless I do something really ****ed up, and this is the type of Job I love to do...I'll be babying it.

    And my parents wont kick me out if I buy a $36000 car. But if they found out I was thinkin about it, they would probably *****. You dont know my family, its like competition...a friend of the family just bought a 310hp mustang just so he can beat my accord. And I will have money saved up, I'm going to repost the EXACT MONEY SITUATION so you can look it over.


    $12 x 80Hours A Week = $960 gross x 2 pay periods a month = $1920 Gross a month - Taxes (if my calculations are correct, which they most likely are) = $1800-$1850 - Car Payment W/5% APR Financing = 1240 - Car Insurance = $940 - Rent = $505.

    That means I have 500 bucks left over to play with...Yes, Play. Play = Mod my fiance's car or my car, buy us a bigger TV after a few months of saving up, Saving up money for retirement....I'm starting this job at this minimum pay of 12 an hour. This is the type of job that you dont continue making that ammount, They send you to get trained on a new subject and they up your pay a buck or more...By the end of the 8 year term, I will be probably making 18 an hour. Recently that company just uped my dad's pay from 25 to 28!!!! He's been working there for 30 years. And I plan on working there for 30 years.

    So, if I save up 500 a month, thats 6000 that I have in the bank for whatever spending I might need. Like Emergencies (which I have every benifit in the book with this job), Car wreck, Loosing my job and having money saved up to continue to make car payments while I look for a job....

    I seriously dont see how you can see that I will be unable to afford this.

    Remember, they said they will make me a deal. I dont know how good of a deal, but I'm sure they can drop it down to 35k.
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    my point with mentioning a 4 year old car with a payment that high is that in 4 years, you will have a 4 year old car with a payment that high.

    See, NOW you mention rent, which you didnt earlier, which brings your "play with" figure down from $940 to $505. What about food? Electricity? Phone? Internet? Cable/Satellite? Clothing? With all that, there is NO WAY you can save $500 a month. I hope you don't also have credit cards to pay off...but I don't think you do so that's a really good thing.

    So it's a contract, eh? Well, what happens if you get hurt or sick? What happens if your new wife gets pregnant, and all of a sudden you have to think about buying food for 3 instead of 2? Don't say "that won't happen" because you don't know that. Neither do I.

    Do this favor for yourself, I beg of you: get settled in the job before you go buy the car. Then you can figure out if you can really afford to buy a car like this. After 3 of 4 months, you will be able to see what your living expenses will work out to. You definately don't want to miscalculate what you need for food.
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    Well...My fiance wont let me pay for food, cause she wants to handle that. Internet I get for 5 bucks a month from Comcast Cable just because I'm gonna be moving in next door to my brother and he's gonna add a second IP for me for 5 bucks more. Clothing...I'm a guy, I have new clothes that will last me the next 2 years. For her, she's not really gurly. She has like 3 pairs of pants and a few shirts and she'll buy a new shirt or pants every 3 months or so. And, I can afford a kid if it happens, I'm not scared about her getting pregnate. But, her and I have to make sure it DOEsnt happen until she's out of college. I can't be responsible for her giving up her dream.

    And like I said, this job gives every benifit in the book, so I'll have medical, dental, 401k, all of that stuff.

    if I can handle living with 900 less then what I will be making, I can handle living with 900 more a month and a car payment.

    Utilities are paid on this apartment, this apartment is furnished for 435 a month! You may think I'm a stupid 20 year old. But I'm not. I am not the type to just jump into something without knowing what I'm getting into. I do calculations on everything, and I make sure everything is worst case senerio. Just to make sure I have money left over.

    And, its an Evo8....560 bucks a month in 4 years will be WAY Easier. I'll probably be making in 4 years, 15 an hour. And in 4 years my insurance will be lower. When you turn 21, insurance goes down...when you turn 25, insurance goes down again. So in 1 year, my insurance will drop down about 15 bucks or so, I'm not too sure exactly, but I can find out...then 4 years after that, my insurance drops down again ALOT...and my pay rises ALOT.
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    Also, I don't think your takehome is going to be as much as you think. Social Security alone will be 7.5% of your gross, which will knock you down to $1776. My calculations, done at www.paycheckcity.com , come out to $1588 a month filing single and claiming only yourself as a dependent. Lucky for you, Nevada does not have State Income tax

    BTW, I put my info in that calculator, and it was within $10 of my monthly take home pay. PLEEEEEEEEEEASE wait to buy your "dream car" until you know you can afford it!
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    Hang on....you want a $37k car and you earn $20k a year gross - no no no. General rule: you can AFFORD a car equal to 1 years pay and not suffer due to having to make sacrifices.

    Your fiance says she will pay for food - well see how long that lasts. And if she does then she expects you to pay for the holidays (she is gonna want one in the next 6 years - trust me) and she will also want Xmas, Birthday, Valentines, Aniversary...pressies. Oh and a social life and clothes and dinner out......

    Have you budgeted for the fact you have to run the other cars too? And what if they need repairs not covered by warranties - they are getting old. And in a few years your misses may not want to drive round in an old car and want a new one of her own.

    You can still afford a kid - LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL the funniest thinh i have ever heard. Kids cost you a fortune. Wake up and go down to the supermarket and see how much nappies, baby food and baby this and baby that costs. Then new clothes every couple of months cos they grow out of em so quick. What are you gonna say to the missus? " sorry, the kids gonna have to go with out new clothes cos the car needs an oil change" you will be divorced pretty quick and then have to sell the car in the settlement and lose a load as it is on finance!

    In 6 years your evo will be worth peanuts. and will have cost you thousands that would have been better spent on your home and you family and generally having a good life.

    If the weather is nice there and you want something to race you mates and do 10miles in but keep you honda then build a Lotus 7 replica or summit - they will be more fun than an Evo 8 with a 1000hp rocket engine and bang for the buck be magnitudes better than your mates cars. If you want to splash out get a dual Yamaha R1 Engined one (dual engine control systems can be found over here in the UK) or even simpler bore out a haybusa engine to 1.5litre and turbocharge it - those things get up to 400hp and weigh 400-600kg depending on options such as full windscreen, radio, heaters etc - which you wont need. Giving you around 700-800hp per ton and a 0-60 of less than 3 seconds (probably about 2.7 seconds). Put that in you pipe and smoke it!

    Alternatively, do the sensible thing - put some money away for a while and by a second hand Evo - one that has already lost its biggest chunk of depreciation.

    what is this obsession with "my car can do a quarter mile in 10 seconds..." Great, that 4 seconds you save when racing a few times a week is gonna cost you a lot of money - got to be the most expensive 4 seconds of your life (unless you have a bit of a problem and get your missus pregnant in 4 seconds!!!!!)

    Oh and just for the record - next year it is easily feasable i will be earning more than you (not boastng here jsut putting $20k in perspective) and that is before that fact that i am a student so don't pay tax and my rent and electricity may be about $1400 a year! and before anyone asks - i am earning this not getting given it on a plate from daddy or something. And i am not even considering fantasising about buying a new evo 8. My long shot dream is to be able to afford a second hand WRX and by insurance will be $140 a month (i have full no claims and am 25) and the car will cost about £11-12K (or $21,000).

    On the other hand i might stick with my 306 and put the money away to invest in buying a house when i get my $72K a year job (before tax) when i get my PhD - then maybe i will think about buying a nice car!

    Oh and i am single and have no marriage plans let alone potential kids on the way.

    I think you are having a serious case of the "wow i am getting $XXXX a year and can buy this if i save it all" - I suggest you dream for a few days but don't tell anyone cos they will laugh at you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardPC
    Also, I don't think your takehome is going to be as much as you think. Social Security alone will be 7.5% of your gross, which will knock you down to $1776. My calculations, done at www.paycheckcity.com , come out to $1588 a month filing single and claiming only yourself as a dependent. Lucky for you, Nevada does not have State Income tax

    BTW, I put my info in that calculator, and it was within $10 of my monthly take home pay. PLEEEEEEEEEEASE wait to buy your "dream car" until you know you can afford it!
    I can't. IT will cost more. Thats what your not understanding. I can afford this 04 Evo8...I CANNOT afford a 05 EvoMR. They are not going to be selling any Evo8's any more....The 06 Evo9 is going to be released june of this year...and the price on the 05 MR wont go down that much. I dont like the MR because of the wheels and it doesn't come with HID's or leather.

    And I'm not workin to pay off this car in a year. I dont know where you guys get that stuff from, but its stupid. to be able to afford a car you have to be able to afford 3x the car payment a month. I am not going to pay it off in a year. I'm going to pay it off in 6. So, thats 120,000 for a 35k car!
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    And also, I dont have an obsession with speed. Yes I want a fast car, but Its highly doubtful I'll race it. Maybe I'll waste a car here and there just for the hell of it on the streets...but I'm not going to be like my friend and hit up the track every weekend to get his car faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by nFiniteTuning
    Rushn, I'm just goin off of what my friends wrx ran stock. It ran low 16 seconds here fully stock. When we did the 15psi boost mod, it ran 15 seconds. Then we did a BOV...and I didn't think that would help..but he was able to run a 14.9. Then we did a Down Pipe, and it ran 14. We did up pipe, it did 13.5. Then we installed a manual boost controler and upped the boost to 16-17 and ran a 12 second....but at specific points the car would have fuel cut off since it has a fully stock engine managment system.
    If for some unknown reason your friend ran a WRX in low 16s, he either sucks at shifting (he did that, right?) or you were doing it in some ridiculous weather conditions. My friends '91 sentra runs high 14s. His WRX does the same. Tell him to learn to shift and not to run the car in hot weather at 10,000 feet.
    And as wizard said, you sure you got your calculations right? You don't even know the offer for sure from what I gathered.

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