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    Creationism has been evolving... so Yes

    But I don't see why so many people find it difficult to imagine that evolution might be the tool by which God created man. I mean, if you take it on faith that God created the universe (inc. man,) than all science is discovering is the what and how of the creation.

    And evolution is a theory, but ultimately so is everything else. Including our notion of God.

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    I believe this thread was specifically designed to make us hate each other. Therefore, I abstain
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    Dinosaurs ????

    need I say more ......
    I guess Noah didn't have a big enough arc.. thats why they were never mentioned.

    EDIT:
    OK, so what your saying is an Alien, created man and everything else.
    Isn't there something about "created in his likeness" ?? so we must all look like Aliens then .. hmmmm you may have something there
    for those non-edumecated ... Alien=Not of this planet.

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    It's absurd to think that we could get smarter over time and live longer, become better at killing off our predators, and our offspring become more of the same compared to our ancestors....

    Hell, if Al Gore didn't invent the internet, we would have never thought of it, cuz our grandparents didn't think of it.

    The human race as a species is constantly evolving.
    just hit rewind and use your head, or what (insert god icon) gave you.

    as you can tell I'm an aethiest, and when all you F'ers get done killing each other over who's god is best, we will be left to .... evolve ...

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    I'd really want to say both. We HAVE evolved, there was no way around it. But we didn't come from micro organisms that got hit by lightning... ****e man.
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    life is nothing more than a natural process - given the correct
    conditions life can happen - and has on many worlds,

    If there is a all powerful god that created everything - he would be
    nothing like us and would be so different from us that there would
    be no means of communications with us, also, we would be so
    insignificant, he would never be aware of us

    A lot of the stuff in the bible seams like some sort of technology,

    There is more than enough proof that man did evolve from a lower life
    form, so even if man was changed or created - it was slow and over
    time

    and if there was any hand in our evolution it was more likely an
    alien or us from the future maybe even evolved dinosaurs

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkotch
    it may be a scientific theory but not a fact/absolute truth.... there have been plenty of other theories in many different scientific fields that were at the time the prevailing main theory and were replaced with new ones. My background is in the sciences and I love to learn and am fascinated by science in general.... but I know that science and it's theories are just as vulnerable to bias from those involved in the field... just like other areas in life.

    I respect everyone's opinion and beliefs though. I have mine and for me have already dealt with certain questions and reconciled new things I learn with my beliefs and faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enforcer
    If God created man, who the **** created God in the first place?
    That's the question that eventually drove me away from my childhood faith.

    Another one to all you theists (2 parts, and it's kind of hypothetical): do you believe that your faith is the one true faith (christianity vs judiasm vs islam, or even protestant vs catholic vs baptist, etc)?

    If you answered no above, this part isn't for you. Otherwise: hypothetically, if you were raised to be some other faith, do you think you'd have the same feelings about that faith or do you think you would have found your current faith?

    I derived this second question when I realized that the only reason I believed in God as a child is because that's what my parents and Sunday School teachers told me. My Sunday School teachers were largely parents of other children and that hardly made them experts in The Truth. I think I would have been driven to atheism no matter what... just so long as I had a good education and hadn't been browbeaten into belief.

    Wow, I typed about 5 times what I meant to... I hafta run, so no proofreading... sorry if I offended anyone, none intended.

    Another one: If this life is only a test for heaven / hell, then wtf? God's supposed to be omnipotent and omniscent, why does he need a test to tell if we're good?
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    I believe that god is a man made concept.

    So if god created man...
    that means man created man...
    which means that we created ourselves...
    endless loop...


    does not compute!


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    Because you believe that man created God, doesn't make it true... you can't imply your belief on top of another's and say they're stupid.

    Dinosaurs ????

    need I say more ......
    I guess Noah didn't have a big enough arc.. thats why they were never mentioned.
    Dinosaurs don't come that big when they are born. need I say more...

    life is nothing more than a natural process - given the correct
    conditions life can happen - and has on many worlds,

    If there is a all powerful god that created everything - he would be
    nothing like us and would be so different from us that there would
    be no means of communications with us, also, we would be so
    insignificant, he would never be aware of us
    But the problem is those correct conditions could never happen on their own, it's been tried

    if God is all-powerful... how is He not powerful enough to communicate with His own creation... uhmm to use another's words, does not compute

    A lot of the stuff in the bible seams like some sort of technology,

    There is more than enough proof that man did evolve from a lower life
    form, so even if man was changed or created - it was slow and over
    time

    and if there was any hand in our evolution it was more likely an
    alien or us from the future maybe even evolved dinosaurs
    everyone keeps saying "proof" but never coughing up anything but conjecture and speculation. it has never been seen, nor is there any true fossil evidence to prove evolution. it takes major faith to believe in it. but I guess when you get 12+ years of "education" you prob find it hard to believe otherwise, that would just be... unscientific

    I think that last part was a joke... I hope...

    If God created man, who the **** created God in the first place?
    God is in no need of a creator. You can not look at God as if He is some sort of super man that resides in heaven. That question is bound in the belief that God isn't truly God just a bigger man.

    That's the question that eventually drove me away from my childhood faith.

    Another one to all you theists (2 parts, and it's kind of hypothetical): do you believe that your faith is the one true faith (christianity vs judiasm vs islam, or even protestant vs catholic vs baptist, etc)?

    If you answered no above, this part isn't for you. Otherwise: hypothetically, if you were raised to be some other faith, do you think you'd have the same feelings about that faith or do you think you would have found your current faith?

    I derived this second question when I realized that the only reason I believed in God as a child is because that's what my parents and Sunday School teachers told me. My Sunday School teachers were largely parents of other children and that hardly made them experts in The Truth. I think I would have been driven to atheism no matter what... just so long as I had a good education and hadn't been browbeaten into belief.

    Wow, I typed about 5 times what I meant to... I hafta run, so no proofreading... sorry if I offended anyone, none intended.

    Another one: If this life is only a test for heaven / hell, then wtf? God's supposed to be omnipotent and omniscent, why does he need a test to tell if we're good?
    OK... my feelings about my faith have no consequence. Sincerity is not a substitute for truth, I can feel sincerly about something and be sincerly wrong. There is truth about anything, and all other things are false. Like 2+2=4, any other conclusion would be false, and there are an infinite amount of other conclusions.

    What seperates true Christianity from everything else is that Jesus Christ rose from the grave, Mohummad, Buddha, Confusious, etc. are all still dead.

    The protest vs catholic vs baptist thing is really on what do you hold as your standard for living and faith, the Bible or another man's word. Hebrews says that Christians have a mediator in Christ and we can go to Him ourselves, there is no need for a priest (which basically means mediator), there is no need to confess my sins to another man who really has to confess his sins as well.

    I am sorry about you experiance as a child, but waht makes you thing your school education was good, they were just teachers... and prob "browbeated" you into some state sanctioned beliefs.

    Finally, life is no test for heaven or hell. There needs to be no test we're all going to hell. The standard for Heaven is perfection, holiness. No one is that good. (THink you are, let's try a little test:

    1. Have you every lied? What do you call people who lie?

    2. Have you ever stole? What do you call people who steal?

    3. Have you ever looked at the opposite sex to lust? Jesus said those who lust in their heart have committed adultury already in their heart?

    If you are honest you have to really answer yes to all these (there are 7 more) Liars, thieves, and adultrators are not good enough to get to heaven.)

    Hebrews says that it's appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgement. We will be judged on the basis of our righteousness. That is why Jesus had to die, He lived a righteous life, and died in our place. When you accept Jesus as your savior, really God looks at you and sees Jesus righteousness and doesn't see your unrighteousness.

    So I'm sorry that is your view of salvation (that life is a test) I hope that wasn't what was directly taught to you in church (though I'm afraid many churches are teaching works salvation.) That is another thing about true Christianity... Salvation is by faith alone, all other religions in the world add works to it. But who could be good enough (by God's standards, not by ours)

    P. S. Atheism is a religion as well as evolution (religion simply defined is a system of beliefs)
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