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    here you go. middle-school education should help you out.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/ed...s/svideos.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untraceable
    Ummm, ok they told me that at grade school too? how relevant is his "leg work dumbass" to prove that we come from a rock?
    ....I'm not sure what you are trying to say here? Are you telling me that somebody told you that you evolved from a stone? ....who told you this? I think you don't understand what makes a fossil....a fossil
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    Quote Originally Posted by got2liv4him
    But the problem is those correct conditions could never happen on their own, it's been tried
    wow. Ok so you are saying that every possible correct condition has been tried? You do realize to crack my 30 character password under RSA encryption would take 7 million years on a 3ghz processor. We havent been to the furthest depths of our ocean (no...humans have not). So how can you know they don't happen down there? Or during the big bang, under extreme heat period?
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    One of these statements is true.

    *Evolution is a proven scientific theory
    *Electrons behave like waves unless something looks at them.
    *Gravity is the powerful force that brings matter together and holds things in place.
    *The largest living thing on earth is the Blue Whale at 100+ft in length

    can you guess with one? Answer at the bottom

    Escalade, you're so wrong again. middle school education is probably what failed you the most. Even Darwin, in every writing said he couldn't imaine how something complex could have evolved, and then gave his own theory on why.

    Anyone who beleives evolution, i'm not going to say is a complete moron (just someone who looks at the facts and asks for someone else to tell them what they mean, but doesn't look for the unicorn hoofprints to prove it), but those who beileve its fact DEFINITELY slept through bio class.

    As an ex-evolutionist, i've done this "debate" wayyyyyyyyyyy too many times to do it agian. There's this thing called SCIENTIFIC LAW, and to quote Judge Dredd, IT IS THE LAW. Evolution violates LAW. Half the supporting and coinsiding theories of evolution that you're taught in school violates LAW. Fromt eh embryo chart, which was disproved a YEAR after it came out, to the misrepresented experiements that great life form amino acids in water that was electricuted (the removal of O2 as O2 would make the experiment oxidize, ie, fail 100% of the time, 85% toxic byproduct, of that 15% organic byproduct, only 1/8th the amount of amino acids neccessary to make life...but none of them that was created were part of that list...shall i go on?) to the idea that the earth's poles swtich (let's see life continue with 0 magnetic field). I coul go on...for days...and days...and have...i'm not doing it again. Evolution can't happen. Period. Its an agnostic's and atheist's wet dream proported by a society that desires no God as it hinder's "personal growth, desires and satisfactions" contrary to the teachings of the Bible or a religious text that puts the perfecting of one's character over all else...and you know what I mean by the words in quotes.

    The funny thing, the other half of "evolutiononary concepts, liek the "microevolution", like "natural selection" , they aren't evolutionary concepts. No one doubted Mendel's work, nor was it "lost", it just reproved this thing called "variation", which is the old word for "microevolution". Natural selection used to be called this thing called "survival of the fittest". Guess where both PROVEN concepts came from?

    One day, one of you is going to find the sickening truth about where half these ancent beasts come from and how they are imagined, why musuems sometimes update and rearrange their displays, why National Geogrpahic has a section every once in a while where they actually RETRACT findings. If you know entire animals were imagined form a single bone, entire humanoids were added to the books over a bone fragment, or hell, when they find that whole humanoid, after YEARS of being on display, you find out its no more than a poor arthritic hiker who got lost in the woods centuries ago, you start looking for the inconsitensies, as i did. However, no one remembers the retractions, no one remembers when someone said they were wrong. They just remember that someone said something and want to sound smart.

    BTW, PBS is PAID to post up articles and broadcast to promte evolution because GUESS WHERE THIER GRANTS COME FROM. If they didn't how the shows, PBS would shut down.

    That begin said, me being tired and hating to debate ignorant people who think that just because its taught in a textbook means its true, i give you teh answer form the top.

    When fired one at a time, an electron will calculate to go through 1 slit, two slits, both slits, or no slits, and propogate a wave-like donstructive/deconstructive pattern, yet, when an observer looks at the beam, it behaves like matter and creates a double slit pattern. Here it is dumbed down for you to understand.

    http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/42648/

    Seriously, God's universe is way more complex than scientists can describe or imagine.

    That's found out by using a little thing called science, which can be tested again and again with a predicted outcome. After physics, the most precise of all sciences, then comes chemsitry (usually a 30-80% chance of being precisely right, big joke in class), and then comes biology, which is the study of life, and the the lowly geology/earth "sciences" who's most predictable focus is impact anaylsis...which goes right back to physcis. I mean, sad thing, the fumbling around in "Day After Tomorrow" is about as good as it gets, IF they're lucky. Beyond that, speculations, its an estimation, and based on lab trials, and whatever other excuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peoples
    wow. Ok so you are saying that every possible correct condition has been tried? You do realize to crack my 30 character password under RSA encryption would take 7 million years on a 3ghz processor. We havent been to the furthest depths of our ocean (no...humans have not). So how can you know they don't happen down there? Or during the big bang, under extreme heat period?
    OK, you guys keep using analogies that don't fit... life is not a password, but here we go

    No every possible condition has not been tried (you can't prove a point by taking it to extremes) on a primitive planet in the conditions the so-called "primordial soup" happened, definitly could not have had the right conditions to start what we call life. Scientists have tried to create the proteins neccesary for dna in a lab, read super-controlled conditions, nothing like the so called beginning of our planet, and they falled. Life requires that the proteins to be made of what they call left-handed amino acids, everything from the simplest organism to humans requires it. When scientist created amino acids in a lab, they could never ever make left-handed amino acids, so they could never make the types of protien that makeup dna.

    Science has tried over and over to find proof to substantiate the theory, but they fail.

    For evolution to happen one must break all the laws of thermo-dynamics. How is this scientific. It is not. I submit that evolution is in fact a religious system of beliefs. You must have faith in it because there is no outright evidence that it exists. Otherwise we would not be having this discussion. You could say look here, this one-celled amoeba just changed it's kind. But you can't say that, you have to look with faith and say chimpanzes have opposible thumbs, we must have come from them (I know they have more in common), if it was science we could test it and it would be reproducable somewhere else (the scientific method). All you have is conjecture and 100+ years of trying to believe in something else besides an all-mighty God that we as humans must answer to.




    "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

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    umm....actualy back in 10th grade(im pretty sure it was 10th) my biology teacher, mr.boone, highly supported the evolution theory. and I didnt sleep through that class. passed with an A in both terms.

    YOUR logics are what create wars like the on-going religion wars in the middle east.

    here are the facts:
    -religions cause war.
    -religions were created to induce people to act more civilized and respect.
    -you were raised on, or beleive strongly, for the religion you beleive in.
    -evolution is backed by a huge ammount of evidence.

    maybe there WAS a creator, but he certainly wasnt this god-like figure we think of. the creator was created somehow. right? evolution

    maybe there WAS evolution. which would question how adam and eve magically appeared as perfect specimens of humans with a spoken language. not to mention insest.

    dude if someones willing to give their life for their religion (i.e. suicide bombers) whats the point?

    its all pholosophy. who cares. who wants to spend every sunday morning listening to made up, altered-over-time stories? not me.

    ITS JUST MY OPINION and your extreme attitudes are related to what brought down the world trade centers. your 'beleifs' escalade over time into rediculous tragedies. if your believe in you religion, thats cool. but dont act like a bunch of ****in missionaries trying to induce people into something they dont care about.

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    guess what. your loosing your battle 24-12. good night.

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    and let's hit college and maybe masters, shall we:

    And i have to say this man: that's the most IGNORANT statemnet people say until faced wtih the facts.

    the first thing a facist dictator does is gets rid of estabilshed religion. If i remember correctly, between Russia, Germany, Japan, the confilcts/wars in africa, how many of them are relgious None. Man causes war, then the USE things like religion, family, birthright, bloodline, and power to convince others in their cause. Sure, there were religous wars, no one's saying that it never havppened, but more people died in the absence of religion than in the overwhelming presnce of religion...and no its not because there were more people to kill.

    You also talk as if you KNOW whtat the hell happened. Have you met the creator?? I mean like, hell, what, is he Rick Moranis with a chemistry set? C'mon man, (for the sake of argument) It created ou and the first thing you in our infinite arrognace say is that "he ain't so great". Listen, the next time you stop by his crib for poker, tell him i said "what up" and i love what he did with the Caribbean.

    Then you say "we". I believe in him. got2liv4him beleives in hi. You and your brother don't. So i don't think we includes you. How can you state any assumptions about something that you deicdedly won't believe without any evidence beyond well...your own assumptions. I have fact. do you have fact?

    There wasn't evolution. Sorry.

    You also forget that people give thier lives up for little things like countries (war), lies (military strategy/sacrifice), truth, non religious ideals (Tienneman Square?), and love (too many examples). Also, for each example, they're willing to kill too. What's the point in those?

    me neither, that's why i'm chirstian.

    Actually, it was US/middle eastern relations stressed over the falling Enlgish empire which was the propogated because of Britians promise for one land for two peoples (palestinians and the Zionists), further pushed by the UN, and then the world just took sides (US was agsints the arab nations and for the Jews) and it all fell into place form there (6 days war, Gaza strip, Iran/Iraq, whcih was a soviet/capitalistic conflict like the vietman war). Its about land, power, and respect. No one likes to be the domino or the pawn, and that's what we made them. If Israel disappeared tomorrow and the Palestinians were able to resettle by the US's doing, we'd have a full apology form the Arab nations and free oil for a year.

    Back to the top, WHAT evidence? THe evidence is CIRCULAR AT BEST. listen, real science doens't need to remain in a theory to prove itself. Real science is proven by it's self (note the differences between it's self and itself) and other theories, and, MOST IMPORTANTLY will not violate the LAWS.

    Once again, i point out, i used to be an evolutionist. Though i didn't say half the things you did because i'm telling you, evolutionists or not, you're just lashing out however you can against God and religion, not acutally making any solidly grounded and provable points. When you end your itrade, fine, we can talk, but you sound like everyone i've debated and won against when they realized that they had lost and their beliefes were shattered: they stop debating and lash out agaisnt their opponent's stance in "their opinion" in their anger, and usually , in their ignorance.

    Here's a fact: most evolutionists don't know evolution. I mean, i'm even wondering if you're not just reciting something you obsucely read in those classes you slept in? I mean, do YOU even know what you belive in? O you believe in staggered or continuous evolutionary change? Do you believe in the concept of mutigenic changes or climate changes throughout earth's exsitance? Do you believe that dinosaurs evolved from other dinosaurs over time or that species died out and were replaced by the subsequent dominant new species? What do you believe? Do you beleive te Neodarwinists? I mean, you critizie us, but you havne't once stated where you stand...or do you beleive all of evolution as it is written?

    How about we get you past a sub GED and into college, okay? No one's trying to convert you into anything. We're just saying you're wrong, as valid as it is to have you're own opinions.

    And its a known fact that man, when left to his own deviceses , is the most destructive force in the universe, especially in the society of relitivism that we live in. The real tradgedy si that grounded and absoltuism bbased ideals are mocked at beause they aren't liberal enough, or, as someone put it, "it doesn't suit what i want."

    Oh, and btw, you think we're rediulous? You think you came from a rock or soup and by chance, billions of years later, you were born to defend your Sedimentary Birthright...or would it be still igneous since there was still volcanic activity, though those 3.5 billion years, there MUST have been some sedimentary or metamorphic...ah, only you know i guess.

    Unlike you, i stayed up in class and had lovely dicussions with my teachers, not jjust debates.. Maybe you should have stayed up too and got a little more outta class than an A, like, i dunno, knowledge on the subjects at hand? Though i'm proud you didn't sleep through 10th.

    12-24? When Copernicus stated that the earth revolved aroudnthe sun, i'm sure he lost that debated by A LOT more. Or how about the idea that the Earth was round? Didn't make any of them any less right, did it? And for you to state that a poll makes you more ro less right, maybe you should get out of an oversaturated Democratic/Repubilican (not the party) and realized that just because you have the most votes doesn't mean you get your way when it comes to science and fact unless you want to rewrite history.

    Oh, and i've been jumping on poor E182 all day...Don...say it with me: CATHOLIC. Christians say its all bad, whether we do it or you do it. We "confess" straight to God, no intermediate, and its not about confession, its about repentance. doesn't make it less right that we do it, or keep sinning, but it does help that we're good with God through Christ. Also, the most crooked people i know, i will state, some come from a chruch upbringing. But unforutnately, its what's on the heart, that determines who's a Chirstian or not and people can't see that. If i went around with a boomarang, had a down-under accent, kept a pet wallabee and a digbat for good measure, but blew up a few buildings, raped a few women, and killed a few dozen men, and said i was Austrailian, that doesn't exactly mean i'm Australian and all aussies were bad. I just means i said i was Austrailain and I was bad.
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    haha... reverse evolution! maybe there is proof!!!
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