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    Just because they are not covered by the GC doesnt mean that you should give no rights to them. People make mistakes and the law is there to protect the innocently accused. This isn't being followed. A country like the US that wants to be responsible should first do so by leading by example and acting responsibly rather than telling everyone else what to do and not following their own advice.

    Also let me put this to you. America officially declared war on terrorism, so isn't anyone who is caught as a terrorist by definition a POW?

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    Atleast u see thing as i do... its not in the spirit of GC to find a loopholes in agreement to exploit. Thats what mob lawyers do, not states which presents them self as good guys or have in god we trust stamped on dollar bill.

    Its same thing with taking subjects of torture on 3rd state, finding a loophole in law to use for vile purposes. And americans aproove it cause its inline with the law? and theire good guys ???? wake up.

    Morale and ethics are two different things... being good is different abiding th law. Robin hood and his merry gang and on other end mafia lawyers are good example. Its not just law u have to follow but also conscience (sp?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElKeeed
    Just because they are not covered by the GC doesnt mean that you should give no rights to them. People make mistakes and the law is there to protect the innocently accused. This isn't being followed. A country like the US that wants to be responsible should first do so by leading by example and acting responsibly rather than telling everyone else what to do and not following their own advice.

    Also let me put this to you. America officially declared war on terrorism, so isn't anyone who is caught as a terrorist by definition a POW?
    Ahhh, who says they have no rights? They have the right to live, they have the right to food and drink, they have a right to medical care. They have lots of rights. Perhaps not as many as an American citizen (they are incarcerated) and perhaps not as many as a regular inmate in a prison, but they do have rights. The Americans are leading by example. These criminals, if they were in thier own country, such as Saudi Arabia, would be tortured and most likely killed. Many other Muslim countries that these fighter come from, are known to torture and kill inmates. They are being treated much better then they would in thier home country, unless of course the home country would let them go, and then the home country is turning a blind eye to thier actions.

    So, they make a mistake and are innocently accused. Can you be innocently accused of a crime when you acted by mistake. I think not. If you act, you can be guilty, no matter if you act by mistake. Trust me, none of them think that made a mistake when they did what they did. And, who are we telling what to do, and then not following our own advice.

    And, it seems that you also have not read the GC. The answer to your last question is no. POW are a particular type of person who is captured. The fact that someone is captured during a war doesn't automatically make them a POW. You really should read the GC to become familiar with it before you start making statements that are just not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P3rv3rt B3ar
    Atleast u see thing as i do... its not in the spirit of GC to find a loopholes in agreement to exploit. Thats what mob lawyers do, not states which presents them self as good guys or have in god we trust stamped on dollar bill.

    Its same thing with taking subjects of torture on 3rd state, finding a loophole in law to use for vile purposes. And americans aproove it cause its inline with the law? and theire good guys ???? wake up.

    Morale and ethics are two different things... being good is different abiding th law. Robin hood and his merry gang and on other end mafia lawyers are good example. Its not just law u have to follow but also conscience (sp?)
    You see it as a loophole, I see it as following the letter of the law.

    Whether the GC didn't envision this type of captive (in which case, it could not have intended to include them in the GC) or they chose not to include them when the GC was drafted, doesn't change the fact that these captives ARE NOT COVERED BY THE GC.

    All they have to do is change the GC to include the definition to include these combatants, and they will be coverered. They haven't, they didn't, so they are not covered.

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    As for being off topic, this is in OT, and it is a discussion about Americans being hated. it is still pretty on topic. And yes, SD, you are the cause of everyone hating US
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiredwrx
    These criminals...

    So, they make a mistake and are innocently accused. Can you be innocently accused of a crime when you acted by mistake.
    You miss my entire point. They have not been proven guilty or stood any sort of trial, they have simply been ubducted from their countries based on intelligence which may well be incorrect. I am not saying the people committed a crime by mistake, I am saying that they may have been accused by mistake.

    And, it seems that you also have not read the GC. The answer to your last question is no. POW are a particular type of person who is captured. The fact that someone is captured during a war doesn't automatically make them a POW. You really should read the GC to become familiar with it before you start making statements that are just not true.
    Again you missed the point entirely. You should really think about what someone means before you reply so hastily. Firstly it was a bit tongue in cheek. Secondly you are identifying the enemy you are at war with as terrorists so their distinguishing mark (as required in the gc) is that they are a terrorist. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElKeeed
    You miss my entire point. They have not been proven guilty or stood any sort of trial, they have simply been ubducted from their countries based on intelligence which may well be incorrect. I am not saying the people committed a crime by mistake, I am saying that they may have been accused by mistake.
    Actually, most, if not all, of the prisoners were captured in Afghanistan. They were not captured in other countries. Since we do not know what evidence they have, we can't say whether it is sufficient or not. That is different then saying that it is incorrect It says, WE HAVE NO IDEA. Until I have an idea, then I will support it. Also,

    Quote Originally Posted by ElKeeed
    Again you missed the point entirely. You should really think about what someone means before you reply so hastily. Firstly it was a bit tongue in cheek. Secondly you are identifying the enemy you are at war with as terrorists so their distinguishing mark (as required in the gc) is that they are a terrorist. :P
    That is not what the GC requires. Read what it says, and I will quote it here for you to make it easier,"(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; "

    So, you think that being a "terrorist" is a FIXED, DISTINCTIVE SIGN RECOGNIZABLE AT A DISTANCE as required by the GC. Come on, that is rediculous. If you REALLY think that, then you lack the requisite reading comprehension, and mental aptitude to continue this conversation. Additionally, that section requires ALL of the requirements, not just one of them. The others require that they follow the rules and laws of war. They are not. Terrorist activity is not in compliance with the rules and laws of war. They often times do not carry thier weapons openly (another requirement). They don't meet the definition. They just don't.

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    Every contry will do whats in its best interest

    America is just the popular kid in school - and ever one else
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    The truth is that America has done a lot of bad things, but they were
    done for benefit America and its people

    What frightens me, is more and more laws are being made because
    of corporations funding them - laws that only benefit them

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