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    War Driving and Sniffing

    so, I just caught wind of this whole concept (by watching the screensavers, no less)...so if you don't know, I'll let you in on the secret--with questions later.

    War driving is pretty much driving around with an 802.11b wifi card and searching for Access Points to get free broadband, and sniffing is doing that and grabbing packets of information from other users (which at present is NOT illegal, according to TSS).

    So now the question for those who might be knowledgeable:
    I know about NetStumbler, but are there any programs that work with ALL cards?

    more questions later when i'm closer to sober...
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    I started a thread back in April about this. See if there's any useful info in there:

    A mighty fine idea...

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    http://www.wardriving.com has a lot of info, and software that works with most cards....NetStumbler is awesome, especially with GPS integration. I've use Orinoco cards with an antenna on the roof as I drove through downtown Toronto...Quite an interesting experience.
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    something that is not clear in the netstumbler documentation:
    Does the GPS mapping work with ALL GPS recivers, or just the Garmin?

    Does it work with _ALL_ orinoco cards, cause I need to get a USB one for the truck
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    i have been looking into this area as well. unfortunately netstumbler is quite pickey about which cards you use. i have linksys (prism 2 based) and it wont work with it.

    Im now looking into running a small linux kernel on a seperate partition on my portable. at present im still stuck at the process of choosing my kernel (debian, mandrake etc) .. the guy at wardriving is using a very small kernel, and writes that he will make it avail, but i couldnt find it on his site though.
    Since im pretty short of time i can take the time to tweek a linux kernel into running on my portable at present.

    any recommendations on which kernel to run (links are welcome) on a compaq armada 1750 are welcome.

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    I have not actually used the GPS feature since I don't have a GPS, so I can't answer the first one.'

    However, I doubt it works with USB cards. I was using a Lucent WaveLan Turbo card, but I'm sure most Orinoco cards work well.

    There is a program for Prism2 cards, but I forget what it is.
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    One of us is confused, and I don't know which one

    Originally posted by Aaron Cake
    ...However, I doubt it works with USB cards. I was using a Lucent WaveLan Turbo card, but I'm sure most Orinoco cards work well...
    I am thinking about getting this USB ORiNOCO card. Do you think it will work? or si it a good enough card that even if it doesnt work with NetStumbler there will be something else out there?

    What is with the Prism classification? How do I find out if a card has the right class?
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    I don't know for sure if the USB Orinoco card will work, so I would err on the safe side and say no. What's wrong with a PCMCIA or PCI Orinoco card?

    Many of the "cheaper" 802.11b cards are Prism cards...I believe D-Links are, as well as Linksys and probably Belkin.
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    I just bought 2 Orinoco Gold cards--1 PCMCIA and 1 USB.

    The reason I need the USB is because while my carputer does have 2 PCI slots, one is currently occupied by a 2-port serial card and the other will shortly be occupied by an ATI AIW 128 Pro

    So I got a USB one for the carputer, and a PCMCIA one for my laptop, just in case the USB one doesn't work with NetStumbler.

    Oh yeah, I'm downloading linux now so I can use some more nifty programs related to this topic. It's been a long time coming, but I finally found a _good_ reason to dual-boot my laptop.
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    Update

    The USB version will probably work, because all it is is a USB->PCMCIA adapter and a PCMCIA card encased in a plastic shell, as I discovered here
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