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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l View Post
    Ah... American Cars. I've got the exact same view as the OT. But IMO, the problem with American cars is the labor force that works on them. The unions... they are the real cause of the **** that comes out of Detroit (and Mexico, and wherever the **** they build the junk).
    Quote Originally Posted by durwood View Post
    American cars suffer from a vicious cycle. Most americans want alot for almost next to nothing.
    So in turn the parts companies must make cheaper parts for american companies who have to sell cheap cars to the cheap american public.
    Then when the part doesn't perform up to par, they wonder why.
    Quote Originally Posted by durwood View Post
    My companies produces plenty of parts, some good some bad, but my old boss used ot always say, Better to make junk then nothign at all,
    plus I'd be out of a job if all the parts were perfect. hahahaha

    LEt me just say this...GM keeps us very busy here

    Unions are only part of the problem.

    Lazy American workers are a part of the problem too. There is no pride in their work at the auto plants. Not anymore anyway. All people are worried about is when their next coffee break is, or when the paycheck comes around.

    Used to be that the American auto worker actually gave a **** about the cars they built. They were proud to sign their name on the frame of a car that they just bolted a fender on, or ran the wiring too. They bought what they made, and you did not DARE drive a Jap car into a plant parking lot.

    Not any more. Today it is simply about getting paid. I hear it all the time. "Work the job, don't let the job work you" What a load of ****.

    With unions fighting to squeeze every last penny out of car makers, the cost has to be passed on somewhere. Not only do auto workers make very good wages, they have excellent health care and retirement benefits. Now the bean counters have to figure a way to cut costs in order to pay these high wages and benefits somehow.
    So they pinch the hell out of the suppliers. The suppliers don't want to loose the much needed contracts with the auto makers, or cut their profits, so instead of taking a hit in the pocket book, they offset the lower price demands of the auto makers by using cheap, low quality parts materials. They can't save the $$ by cutting their own workforce, since they too are union. So they make cheap junk and pass it off as Q1 products. Glad to see the people who work for a supplier are proud of their work.
    It is a trickle down effect, and the bottom line is it's the unions who fight for the workers.

    I am not saying any auto worker does not deserve to be paid a fair wage for a day's work, but when you have people (and there are a lot of them ) who can draw 85% salary while on "sick leave" because they have a "substance abuse" problem that is bull****.
    Bull**** how the guy who is claiming to be an alcoholic can get almost a full paycheck to sit on a bar stool. More bull**** is how a dopehead can go buy a bag of pot, get smoked up, then go sit in the casino playing slots all day. While his paycheck is direct deposited in the bank every Friday.

    Back in the 50's and 60's, people were damn proud to wear a UAW jacket, and they earned every dime they made. Working long hours, low pay, and having a laundry list of physical problems that plagued them. No robots or special lifting equipment back then so they actually did physical labor. And DID NOT COMPLAIN. Not any more. Hang nail? 2 weeks off with full pay. Stub your toe on a fork lift? No problem take a month off at 85% pay.
    No values any more.

    What makes it worse is the fact that AMERICANS are more and more willing to buy a Jap car. This has a huge trickle down effect on the economy.
    People don't seem to realize that the profits from the rice burners sold here DO NOT STAY HERE. That money goes right back to Japan.

    The Big Three are offering buyouts and laying off left and right. This leads to suppliers having to cut back on hours, reduce workers, etc. Of course this comes after an expensive fight with, you guessed it, the union.

    This means people are not buying houses, or cars, or any other big ticket items. This also results in losses for turism. Michigan's economy is in the toilet right now, and the future is looking bleek to say the least.

    This is all based on the numbers that the auto makers put up. And considering they are all showing consecutive losses quarter after quarter, it is only a matter of time before people will start leaving in droves to seek a better economic climate.

    Watched the 11:00pm news last night, and a lady who works for DCX is taking the buyout she was offered. She will get close to 100k plus 6 months of health care.
    She is packing her bags and going to Texas to look for work as a Radiologist. She finishes school here soon, then she, her son and her paycheck will be in the Lone Star State.
    WTF??? Not her fault, and I don't blame her, but that is just another hit on Michigan's economy, and it all goes back to the point of my rant.
    Be proud of the work you do, show up for work. Every day. Put the pipe down. Get off the bar stool. EARN your damn paycheck. And above all else, BUY AMERICAN!! It has to turn around sometime, and the sooner Americans actually start buying more American cars, the sooner you can expect a quality product again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorcity View Post
    What makes it worse is the fact that AMERICANS are more and more willing to buy a Jap car. This has a huge trickle down effect on the economy.
    People don't seem to realize that the profits from the rice burners sold here DO NOT STAY HERE. That money goes right back to Japan.
    I'll have to disagree with you on this. Toyota is a more American car now than some of the "American" cars. So many are being build out of the county, due to the aforementioned problems of the labor market in the US. In Mexico, if you have a drunk on your workforce, you give him the boot. There's more were they came from. And do they get pensions? No. That cuts down on costs.

    IIRC the Camry is 85% American build. Build in the Southern States, with wages going to southern workers, who go and spend the money in America. Will they buy American jalopies? Why would they? Its not a smart financial decision. Neither is it a smart practical decision... American cars have to be serviced more often due to poor engineering and assembly.

    I just bought my second car assembled in Japan. Is it bad for the American economy? Yes. Is it good for my wallet? Yes. Is it better for me because I'll spend less time in the shop? Yes. Do I really care that the UAW and American automakers are suffering? **** no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l View Post
    I'll have to disagree with you on this. Toyota is a more American car now than some of the "American" cars. So many are being build out of the county, due to the aforementioned problems of the labor market in the US.
    No, it is still a Japanese car. It may be Assembled here, but it is not an American car. Just like me buying a plasitc model car. Made in China, assembled buy an American.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l View Post
    In Mexico, if you have a drunk on your workforce, you give him the boot. There's more were they came from. And do they get pensions? No. That cuts down on costs.
    Exactly my point. Earn your pay.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l View Post
    IIRC the Camry is 85% American build. Build in the Southern States, with wages going to southern workers, who go and spend the money in America. Will they buy American jalopies? Why would they? Its not a smart financial decision. Neither is it a smart practical decision... American cars have to be serviced more often due to poor engineering and assembly.
    It's not the assembly or engineering that is poor. It is the quality of the parts used in the assembly that is poor. Fit and Finish is lack luster due to flimsy hinges and thin seals around doors and trunks. NVH is a problem due to thinner materials being used for headliners, carpet and door panels. Suspension sucks due to cheap struts and shocks.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l View Post
    Do I really care that the UAW and American automakers are suffering? **** no.
    You will.
    And sooner than you think.
    You are what, 19 maybe 20 years old?
    You have no clue yet as to how lagging American auto sales effect you. But you will in 5 or 10 years.

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    LOL @ the direction of this thread.

    Anyway, I am considering trading in the h2 for a mercedes g wagon... I was going to trade in the h2 for a Lamborghini Gallardo a year ago and they were actually giving me 50k for my h2!!! - that almost made me take the deal right there... the reason I didn't go that route is because: I don't like the gallardo - it's the 'porsche boxster' of lamborghini... and also it's stick so my parents can't drive it when they need a car =/ but I duno.... i get tired of cars easily and i really want to trade the rusting piece of crapola soon... =/
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    You have to see the sunny side of things. The Gaillardo is a stick, so your parents can't drive it when they need a car
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    hahahaha - so true... I use my cars mostly on weekends tho which is why i get auto - so my 'rents can use them when they need to take it out on weekdays... if i were to get a lamborghini, i'd get a used murcielago... you can find one for about 200k - roughly the cost of a new gallardo...

    but the lamborghini idea goes against what i feel which is that no one in the city gives a **** about your property... im happy with my xB and would probably stick to it for some time because it's nice and low profile, doesnt really draw a whole bunch of attention since it's simple and im keeping mine stock... it gets me from point a to b and when i park it at the mall or on the street, i dont worry about it a single bit! i drive it like it's ******* stolen - not over revving - but i drive fast and don't really care about wear n tear because if anything happens to it, i'll get another one... but it's a toyota so it should be good for a while no matter how hard i drive it ;]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l View Post

    But seriously... the interiors of American cars are ****. A top gear review of the cadillac XLR V roadster said that the Europeans wouldn't even use that kind of plastic on their Fiats.
    SOOOOOOO true!!!!!! That is probably why I would never buy an American car. The interior quality sucks a$$...makes me wanna throw up instantly...I see all those people driving escalades and thinking they are the greatest people on earth..for me an escalade is a little modified chevy truck....trucks are for construction workers...would be like driving a mack truck or Caterpillar and thinking you are the $hit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by breaker021 View Post
    but the lamborghini idea goes against what i feel which is that no one in the city gives a **** about your property...
    Don't think people would risk having to pay for a new paint job on a lambo...they would watch their cars/shopping carts/children/whatever cause they know if they get caught they have to sell their kidney for the repair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by durwood View Post
    American cars suffer from a vicious cycle. Most americans want alot for almost next to nothing. So in turn the parts companies must make cheaper parts for american companies who have to sell cheap cars to the cheap american public. Then when the part doesn't perform up to par, they wonder why
    :word:

    I've loved my VW for a long time now. Sure, I've run into a few issues here and there but I've since gotten over the bitterness and started thinking straight...every thing you listed fits the VW.

    I've hated GM for a long long time. Their make whip *** motors, but they can't build a car that will stay put together to save their lives.

    I keep hearing that they have improved, but I have a hard time believing it. We rode in a friends Avilanche the other weekend and I was plesently surprised...but then again, it was brand new...give it 10k miles and we'll see if it's the same...
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    Quote Originally Posted by breaker021 View Post
    Hummer also = mad girls and rust =(
    lol - if you're into impressing people who can't tell the difference, then by all means....have fun!
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