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    Why assume it was a joke? Can you use office, msn messenger, skype, games or other 3rd party software through multizone? I was fully under the impression multizone simply controls the media accessed by each seat within the given front end?

    I don't use CF 3 and as far as I'm aware I can't create 3 independent seats in a multizone without CF 3? And I'm not going to be entertaining the use of OM for a while yet I'm sure.

    By creating a VM you can also reserve resources and safeguard failures affecting all seats.

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    At some point you have to draw a line between OfficePC and CarPC.

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    Without getting into the details - let's just say both OM and CF have their pros and cons.

    I would like to point out, however that the link just_chat pointed out was for CF2 plugins.

    CF3 has around 30+ plugins created just in 2010, and 19 in 2009 - thanks to our awesome development community!
    http://forums.fluxmedia.net/download...id=8&sort=date
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    Quote Originally Posted by raygun View Post
    Without getting into the details - let's just say both OM and CF have their pros and cons.

    I would like to point out, however that the link just_chat pointed out was for CF2 plugins.

    CF3 has around 30+ plugins created just in 2010, and 19 in 2009 - thanks to our awesome development community!
    http://forums.fluxmedia.net/download...id=8&sort=date
    That is the point of this thread though, to get details on what and why we should choose one over the other.

    Number one reason that I am eyeing OM, is because they have consistant updates. While CF you have to wait over 6 months and most of that time there is no communication between the users and Flux. How long has it taken for me to build and lock down my setup? Three years? Just so I could get the 3.2 update I slowed down construction of my rear system. Now the final parts are in the mail and will be here next week. Its to bad though the system will sit there collecting dust because CF 3.2 hasnt been dropped. I seriously doubt it will be released by next week, or even this month.

    Also this is one of the reasons I am so ****ed. You can come over here and leave a comment about CF's plugins, but you cant take the time to post on the Flux forums about whats going on, like in the founders section? Which by the way was created after Flux went silent on CF 3.0 and vanished off the face of the earth and sent everyone into a rage. That section was supposed to be updated. When was the last post, June 20th 2009? I do see that you posted in there today, but even that didnt have any information, just to check back Wednesday, which I will be doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ws6vert View Post
    At some point you have to draw a line between OfficePC and CarPC.
    For the driver maybe, but certainly not for the passengers. The whole birth place of the CarPC was that you could do whatever you could do on your PC, in your car. Otherwise if you're going to start drawing lines then we'd be heading back to double din entertainment units as they do what CarPCs do, in your view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuv View Post
    Why assume it was a joke?
    Because if it wasn't...then I guess you lack basic understanding of what a VM is...in which case I apologize. A little reading might help in that department...
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    Can you use office
    yup although I don't know why you would
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    msn messenger
    yup
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    skype
    yup
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    games or other 3rd party software through multizone?
    you bet... what was your point again?
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    I was fully under the impression multizone simply controls the media accessed by each seat within the given front end?
    That would be true for the centrafuse front end...not true multi-zone front ends (HiJack you can yell at me when they actually release something to prove me wrong).

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    VBox is designed to create multiple seats from one computer providing individual displays and inputs. Which is what I wanted.. So please explain why this is wrong in stead of 'A little reading might help in that department...' crap. If you didn't know already, corporations globally use similar software to achieve the same goal, a little reading might help in that department...

    As I'm using centrafuse and not OM and lets face it, won't be for some time yet, your post means zip. If you intend to encourage users to choose this very early beta version of your software over existing then your approach needs to change dramatically lol.

    I'm asking the same questions as any other possible user of OM, so step up or step down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuv View Post
    VBox is designed to create multiple seats from one computer providing individual displays and inputs. Which is what I wanted.. So please explain why this is wrong in stead of 'A little reading might help in that department...' crap. If you didn't know already, corporations globally use similar software to achieve the same goal, a little reading might help in that department...
    I've done VM design work before (as in writing VM components not just using them) so im more then familiar. The point being, you have a tremendous amount of overhead from running multiple entire operating systems, CPU usage from background tasks is multiplied by each virtual os plus translation overhead and then you still have the issue of RAM usage. You will quickly burn through it all in a multi-user scenario, which is going to start dumping everything to cache and attempting to swap entire chunks on and off the hard drive. Basically, its a huge drag on performance. Using virtualization programs other then microsoft also prevent the OS's memory manager from dealing with individual chunks, instead the entire VM is seen as a single allocation. I won't even mention process and thread priority in a vm verse host os.

    Corporations use VM's because its cheaper (and more power/space efficient) to have one fairly powerful PC with multiple users then multiple cheap PCs. Power hungry pcs aren't practical in a car...and neither are multiple VMs.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuv View Post
    As I'm using centrafuse and not OM and lets face it, won't be for some time yet, your post means zip. If you intend to encourage users to choose this very early beta version of your software over existing then your approach needs to change dramatically lol.

    I'm asking the same questions as any other possible user of OM, so step up or step down.
    You made your point...in multiple threads...you love cf...everything else looks like crap... good for you-enjoy. I haven't seen any actual "questions" just comments and trashing this front end....so not sure which questions you think your asking that other users are too-you should probably re-ask those.

    So far all you have stated in this forum is:
    • The interface needs a complete overhaul, I personally would send it to trash and start from scratch.
    • all of that fancy OpenGL talk needs to be scrapped
    • Nothing looks as good as the centrafuse UI

    Those seem like some pretty strong statements from someone whos asking the differences between cf and OM....do you know enough about om to start telling us how to design it? or are you clueless about the differences between the two and would like more information on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuv View Post
    For the driver maybe, but certainly not for the passengers. The whole birth place of the CarPC was that you could do whatever you could do on your PC, in your car. Otherwise if you're going to start drawing lines then we'd be heading back to double din entertainment units as they do what CarPCs do, in your view.
    I agree, for the passengers they should be allowed to do anything. TBH though, I would never want to do all that cr@p, like work, while I am trying to enjoy my drive.

    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    That would be true for the centrafuse front end...not true multi-zone front ends (HiJack you can yell at me when they actually release something to prove me wrong).
    I am not in the mood to fight with you. Im sick, feel like I have PMS, and upset at CFs longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg updates. By the time CF releases CF 3.2, OM will be finished and probably on version 2.0.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuv View Post
    VBox is designed to create multiple seats from one computer providing individual displays and inputs. Which is what I wanted.. So please explain why this is wrong in stead of 'A little reading might help in that department...' crap. If you didn't know already, corporations globally use similar software to achieve the same goal, a little reading might help in that department...

    As I'm using centrafuse and not OM and lets face it, won't be for some time yet, your post means zip. If you intend to encourage users to choose this very early beta version of your software over existing then your approach needs to change dramatically lol.

    I'm asking the same questions as any other possible user of OM, so step up or step down.
    i tried Vbox, or should I say something similar. I tried N Computing and I actually loved these devices. They worked very well and used very little resources. Did full screen video without an issue. I wish I could have used them, but software sharing with certain programs like CF, wouldnt work. Also no touchscreen support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    i tried Vbox, or should I say something similar. I tried N Computing and I actually loved these devices. They worked very well and used very little resources. Did full screen video without an issue. I wish I could have used them, but software sharing with certain programs like CF, wouldnt work. Also no touchscreen support.
    Actually very different....nComputing uses the host OS..just a separate user of the host os. Thats why resource usage is nice and low....where as vbox your using an entire separate OS for each user...big difference in resource usage.

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