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    Should I move from cf to om?

    Oh right... So what would make OM a better choice than others? I personally use centrafuse (not the new one), it's never crashed on me, takes less than about 20secs to play music/videos from hibernation and imo it looks great with good expandability... It's not free to *legally* use the software, but it doesn't cost the earth either.

    I haven't gone very far with free front ends because tbh Centrafuse was a doddle to setup compared to many I tried and looked much better than the majority.

    Would OM realistically be competitive with something like Centrafuse putting cost aside?

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    What features in CF are important for you, and what hardware is your CarPC comprised of?

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    I've got a Zotac 9300 ITX board with a fairly powerful intel dual core cpu on it. I understand Linux has presented some issues with these boards going by comments made by those using them for XBMC units. But I haven't bothered with Linux as I wanted to use Centrafuse. The rest of the system is as you'd expect. I don't have TV or Radio at the moment however as it sounded like more hassle than it's worth lol and to be honest, I'd rarely use it.

    At the moment I use my carpc for satnav, music, video, gps logging, 3g internet, reverse camera and if I could be bothered maybe radio. I don't use any other functions at the moment, OBDII stuff but not often, rather plug it in to my laptop in the garage if I need too.

    If I'm honest, I didn't need a carpc (as I'm sure most would admit quietly to! lol), but I'm a gadget freak... I'm also working on video recording with GPS for an insurance fallback- if there was a built in feature to any software for this it'd be worth its weight in Gold!

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    Oh and bluetooth but my phones buggered so haven't been able to make use of that feature at all lol.

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    Here's how OM would work better for you:

    the Zotac 9300 has the Nvidia geforce 9300 GPU on it (Have the exact same board with C2D E7200, currently peaks at 1% using OM). OM renders using full opengl hardware acceleration. CF doesn't even know the GPU exists. So you have a more than adequate board, but are handcuffing it by forcing it to use your CPU for everything. In the future you may consider adding multiple zones to your ride (to appease your gadget freakyness) for passengers. OM will allow you to use the Zotac to power every zone with GPU acceleration leaving the CPU to just do the calculations for each zone. With CF, your CPU will be working 3 times as hard, and performance is going to suffer, and may require you to install ANOTHER computer to support the zones.

    OM currently supports multi-zone, Speech, embedded navigation, music, video, pandora streaming, cameras, contacts, wifi, radio, weather, etc... etc...

    Bluetooth sync is written and will be implemented in a future release.

    and its free and open source to the community.

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    At the moment I do have touchscreen headrests connected to two independent pcs, but I'm looking at running both on one PC with VMWare or VB etc.

    The thing is, those boxes aren't high powered or have a decent graphics card... Would that mean OM wouldn't be able to be used on them? If so, this is a major issue as the majority of users on this forum want cheap, low powered carpcs rather than anything flashy, expensive and power hungry (as the Zotac is compared to certain via/atom alternatives).
    Not at all. OM is very light, it just needs an OpenGL supported graphics card to get the maximum useability from. Unlike other front-ends, it doesn't rely on on other applications to make it useful, trimming the bloat. What I was suggesting above is using 1 PC, the zotac, to power the 3 zones. The zotac paired with a C2D is more than powerful enough to do this, and can easily be powered up to 320 Watts by an Opus, which is actually overkill even for this set-up in my opinion. Power 3 separate computers will likely draw more power and setting up virtual machines across them and maintaining complete integration sounds harder than it really should be.

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    Just a few little things to add. You mentioned linux and while we are trying to support linux as best as we can, OM runs perfectly amazing under windows. Linux is just an attempt to support another platform.

    Should you switch? At this point it comes down to what abilities you need. The plugins that have been created are heavily tested by the testing team are great and thoroughly checked. Props to those guys for a job well done. So if the plugins exist I can almost guaranty that are quality. Being a semi new project there are some rarer features that are in the works but not yet complete like ODB and fusion brain. If we are missing something that is a deal breaker then you may have to wait for a bit till it gets implemented.

    My recommendation, wait till .8 is released *soon* and give it a try. It can be easily set up and run on just about any PC in minutes. See if what you need is available and proceed from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ws6vert View Post
    Here's how OM would work better for you:

    the Zotac 9300 has the Nvidia geforce 9300 GPU on it (Have the exact same board with C2D E7200, currently peaks at 1% using OM). OM renders using full opengl hardware acceleration. CF doesn't even know the GPU exists. So you have a more than adequate board, but are handcuffing it by forcing it to use your CPU for everything. In the future you may consider adding multiple zones to your ride (to appease your gadget freakyness) for passengers. OM will allow you to use the Zotac to power every zone with GPU acceleration leaving the CPU to just do the calculations for each zone. With CF, your CPU will be working 3 times as hard, and performance is going to suffer, and may require you to install ANOTHER computer to support the zones.

    OM currently supports multi-zone, Speech, embedded navigation, music, video, pandora streaming, cameras, contacts, wifi, radio, weather, etc... etc...

    Bluetooth sync is written and will be implemented in a future release.

    and its free and open source to the community.
    I am also a Zotac 9300 user, I'm also a Zotac 610i user, both using nVidia chipsets 9300, 7050. You make it seem like CF is going to bring the system to a crawl. CF on my AMD Dual Core was lightning fast, and that with 31+ USB devices and dual zone setup. Never was there a hick up.

    Also the premise that he will have to install a second system is completely wrong. Its only if you want to run a Dual Zone (shared by all) and Multi Zone (separate), where you will need two systems, which is why I have two of them. I am running 3D games on the main system in a shared environment and I don't want the multi zone users to suffer.

    Also OM does have more features then when I tried to play with it, but the GUI isn't nice, its still lacking a ton of things CF can do, CF has a large 3rd party plug-in development base. No its not free, but it isn't that expensive either. $79.00 is a very reasonable price.

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    Not at all. OM is very light, it just needs an OpenGL supported graphics card to get the maximum useability from. Unlike other front-ends, it doesn't rely on on other applications to make it useful, trimming the bloat. What I was suggesting above is using 1 PC, the zotac, to power the 3 zones. The zotac paired with a C2D is more than powerful enough to do this, and can easily be powered up to 320 Watts by an Opus, which is actually overkill even for this set-up in my opinion. Power 3 separate computers will likely draw more power and setting up virtual machines across them and maintaining complete integration sounds harder than it really should be.
    You are correct, C2D is more then enough. Mine is running six different zones. Also the OPUS 320 is runs it perfectly. I did shop very carefully for the board though. i chose the Zotac 610i because the GPU isn't all that powerful, and to get the 5 other display ports, I used legacy graphics cards, again to cut down on power, and the final display is a USB graphics card. All this is able to be powered with the Opus 320. The Zotac 9300 though is fairly beefy, I'd be a bit nervous running it with a OPUS 320... Id maybe go with a OPUS 360.

    Again, he is right, trust me, I tried a 7 Car PC install. All though the tech was easy to fit, in the end the powering of all of it was a big pain in the @$$. It was easier to just design a PC that could do it all.

    Quote Originally Posted by heezer7 View Post
    Just a few little things to add. You mentioned linux and while we are trying to support linux as best as we can, OM runs perfectly amazing under windows. Linux is just an attempt to support another platform.

    Should you switch? At this point it comes down to what abilities you need. The plugins that have been created are heavily tested by the testing team are great and thoroughly checked. Props to those guys for a job well done. So if the plugins exist I can almost guaranty that are quality. Being a semi new project there are some rarer features that are in the works but not yet complete like ODB and fusion brain. If we are missing something that is a deal breaker then you may have to wait for a bit till it gets implemented.

    My recommendation, wait till .8 is released *soon* and give it a try. It can be easily set up and run on just about any PC in minutes. See if what you need is available and proceed from there.
    I agree..... its good to get opinions from other people, but don't base judgment on that. The best thing to do is test both and see which you like. CF does offer a free trial and OM is free. I personally designed my setup around CF, so it works for me. RideRunner was just to much for me (as far as setup), and it lacks dual and multi zone abilities. OM, is too new, it doesn't have enough people developing the type of plug ins CF has and the skinning drove me crazy. I think in the future OM will compete with CF, but right now I don't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    I am also a Zotac 9300 user, I'm also a Zotac 610i user, both using nVidia chipsets 9300, 7050. You make it seem like CF is going to bring the system to a crawl. CF on my AMD Dual Core was lightning fast, and that with 31+ USB devices and dual zone setup. Never was there a hick up.

    Also the premise that he will have to install a second system is completely wrong. Its only if you want to run a Dual Zone (shared by all) and Multi Zone (separate), where you will need two systems, which is why I have two of them. I am running 3D games on the main system in a shared environment and I don't want the multi zone users to suffer.
    So you have two boards with great GPUs, but CF can't use them. What benefit is that? There is no denying that GPU acceleration will increase performance and efficiency. From his description, he wants multi-zone. He stated he already has 2 pcs each for his passengers and wanted to condense that to 1. Thats multi-zone. CF currently cannot do this. If it could, I still say you would see performance drops each time another zone begins navigating and using system resources, because of CF's dependence on the CPU. Bottom line, if your build includes a GPU capable of OpenGL 2.0 (practically anything made since late 1990s), then why not make use of it?

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    Minimum requirements are OpenGL 1.0 (standardized at the beginning of the 90's)... I would take a look at our plugins section after this weekend (compare it to any alternatives you might be considering) and decide for yourself.

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