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    In my research, it seems most dual core atoms (330) either come with some grade of Intel video.

    But nobody seems to recommend any variant of Intel chipsets. Can I assume that Intel just cannot make a decent video chip?

    I am still sold on the Zotac board, but always trying to improve my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmullan99 View Post
    In my research, it seems most dual core atoms (330) either come with some grade of Intel video.

    But nobody seems to recommend any variant of Intel chipsets. Can I assume that Intel just cannot make a decent video chip?

    I am still sold on the Zotac board, but always trying to improve my knowledge.

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    You assume correctly. INTEL GPUs eat dirty @$$. They are either way bad at displaying, or their drivers cause headaches. Go with anything with a nVidia chipset, which mainly seems to be Zotac. I use Zotac and I will swear by the boards. I did have some issues with my ZOtac 610i, but number one, its a bargin board (only cost me $44.95), so I cant expect it to do much. Second, I was asking way to much of the board (wanted to use 2 PCI graphics cards and onboard card). Once I disabled onboard graphics, used one PCI card with 2 display ports, then bought 4 USB graphic cards (DL-195 chipset, which are for HD video), was when the board worked super fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmullan99 View Post
    In my research, it seems most dual core atoms (330) either come with some grade of Intel video.

    But nobody seems to recommend any variant of Intel chipsets. Can I assume that Intel just cannot make a decent video chip?

    I am still sold on the Zotac board, but always trying to improve my knowledge.

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    Intel didn't even make the chip they bought it...that was their problem. The i3, i5 and i7 GPUs are a good bit better. Intels terrible driver support was what killed the atom (no/crippled vista/win7 drivers for a lot of the earlier GMA chipsets) so newer hardware doesn't really have any issues.

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    I will warn, if you go with a Zotac board with VGA and DVI on it, make sure its not a DVI-D board. You need a special converter to get it to work on our car screens. That converter cost me $115.00. I think you mentioned though that you plan to use VGA and HDMI, which will work great, but those adapters also seem to be pricey unless you buy touchscreens that have HDMI and or DVI native.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    Intel didn't even make the chip they bought it...that was their problem.
    If you're talking about PowerVR, this is only for the atom 'Z5' series (GMA 500) iirc. I did a quick google to see if this was true with the others, particularly the GMA 900/950. I find no reference of them buying a technology and branding it as a 900/950. Can you cite your sources?

    And yes, support under any OS was terrible with the 500. The 900/950 worked ok. The 3xxx series and the X3xxx series are getting much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    If you're talking about PowerVR, this is only for the atom 'Z5' series (GMA 500) iirc. I did a quick google to see if this was true with the others, particularly the GMA 900/950. I find no reference of them buying a technology and branding it as a 900/950. Can you cite your sources?

    And yes, support under any OS was terrible with the 500. The 900/950 worked ok. The 3xxx series and the X3xxx series are getting much better.
    Tidd is right. GMA500 was a PowerVR chip not Intel silicon and Intel didn't make the driver for it, they licensed. There was a big spill about Intel not even being able to support GMA500 in their own distro (MeeGo) a while back. i945 and other intel graphics (which are intel silicon) and drivers (that intel actually wrote) are actually quite good and support decent 2d and 3d operations. It's not made for gaming but it supports things like compiz all day long without a hitch.

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    GMA 500 support on Linux is not optimal. The driver is developed by Tungsten Graphics, not by Intel, and the graphic core is not an Intel one, but is licensed from PowerVR. This has led to an uncertain mix of open and closed source 3d accelerated drivers, instability and lack of support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    Tidd is right. GMA500 was a PowerVR chip not Intel silicon and Intel didn't make the driver for it, they licensed. There was a big spill about Intel not even being able to support GMA500 in their own distro (MeeGo) a while back. i945 and other intel graphics (which are intel silicon) and drivers (that intel actually wrote) are actually quite good and support decent 2d and 3d operations. It's not made for gaming but it supports things like compiz all day long without a hitch.

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    The GMA 500 and GMA 600 were PowerVR chips (Atom Z5 and Z6 series) and yea thats what I was referring to. The 900 and 950 series were from a company they acquired but it still counts as in-house since they were technically part of intel.

    Back to the point though, intel never released vista or win7 compliant drivers for the GMA900 so a lot of forum users here got screwed over. In other cases they released drivers with great OpenGL support in XP and crippled it in vista+. Pretty much everything before the HD series they somehow screwed up one way or another. The only thing I can give them credit for is open sourcing a lot of their drivers.

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    it's doubtful anyone is running GMA900 in their cars at this point. All the atom's I've ever seen run GMA950 family or later (pinetrail) graphics. I could be wrong though...
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    Yeah, I have no performance problems (or driver problems) with the GMA950 on my Intel board. My only problem with it is that it doesn't support more than one display. If i upgrade it at any point, it would be to an i3 - which would then lose my my PCI based sound card... there's just no way to win.. ;-)
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    Thanks all. I will definitely stick with Zotac/nVidia. I have learned that while pinching pennies can be wise, sometimes it ain't worth it. But I don't want to go broke either

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    I will warn, if you go with a Zotac board with VGA and DVI on it, make sure its not a DVI-D board.
    Hmmm. The IONITX-F-E I am thinking on ordering only says DVI, but it has holes for all the pins, so I don't really know if it is DVI-D or I. One of the many reasons I want this board is the included Wifi thus the PCI slot is available for an additional video card so that I can (presumably) grow from 1 to 2 to 3 zones in steps. Therefore, the DVI port would use a simple DVI to VGA adapter to grow to zone 2, then pop in a PCI for zone 3. However, if it is not DVI-I(analog) then am I stuck? Do I have to go with a PCI card that supports dual display.

    Wow, I really am pretty savy with computers, but not too practiced at setting up multi displays.

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