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    woooo, i want details and speed, looking foward to friday
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    okay, another update.... first of all I got the Micro-ATX board. Real nice board. Yeah, it's bigger than the VIA MII, but it's much faster. It does indeed support high-speed USB booting. Only problem is that the BIOS sees the uDOC as a floppy disk type device instead of a harddrive which screws up the XP boot up process. No matter what arcpath I've given it, it can't boot up. If I format the uDOC in DOS then I can boot up as if it were a floppy disk, but since you can't run fdisk on it you can't create an active partition. You're actually supposed to use an M-Systems native XP tool to partition and format the uDOC for FAT32, NTFS, or NTFS Compressed. But the BIOS configuring it as a floppy screws up NTLDR probably. I'm waiting to hear back from Intel about this. Most new BIOS's let you configure how you want removable drives to show up (floppy, hard drive, cd, etc.). What I'm thinking is happening is that the BIOS assumes the uDOC is a floppy based on its size because my 1GB CF cards show up as hard drives over USB. On a side note, yes high-speed booting really is fast. Just as a test I booted using one of my CF cards on a USB card reader and it was damn quick. I'll post more when I hear something from Intel.

    Also, it seems the ExtremeIII boots one or two seconds faster on this board than it did on the MII, so if all else fails I can still use the CF disk.

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    so does this board use much more power? are u using an opus to power it?
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    Well, it's in the house now so it's just running off my testing PSU. Haven't decided yet what I'll do for the car. I'd like to have a single PSU for both car and AC operation, so that I can bring it indoors and just plug it into an AC brick or something. Not sure if that's possible...

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    Man I can't wait till I get my CF card / IDE adapter so I can start doing some testing. I was supposed to have everything for the weekend... but listten to this: Ever get this message from UPS before ???

    THE PACKAGE IS DELAYED DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND UPS' CONTROL;DELIVERY RESCHEDULED
    THE PACKAGE IS DELAYED DUE TO EMERGENCY CONDITIONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL



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    That sucks... I was all happy to get my new mobo in time for the weekend and look at all the good that did me. Now I get to wait for someone over at intel to decide whether my email is worthy of a response... (I've gotten 1 response out of 2 emails I sent them on other things). Looking through AMI's documentation they have support for allowing the end user to configure how removable devices should be configured (i.e. hard drive, floppy, el torito, etc.) but for some reason Intel just decided not to include that feature and just use the auto detection which defaults to making anything less than 530MB a floppy. So it's like I thought: since my uDOC is 512MB the BIOS just decides on its own that it's a floppy instead of a harddrive. What a bunch of BS. I hope Intel plans on adding the config options to the BIOS.

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    Hey Sfiorito...

    did you get to the bottom of this?

    I was wondering what the quickest booting option would be? uDOC (if it is finall working, please post details including a link to buy it), I was thinking if this isnt working out, to just use a 2GB extreme III... They are a bit less than $250, and I was wondering if there are any disadvantages (except for price) for going 2GB over 1GB...

    Also, what CF -IDE adapter are you using? is this the fastest available?

    Thanks much for all your effort!

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    The uDOC is the best flash solution out there. BUT, you need a mobo that supports it. Currently that means a handful of embedded boards (very expensive) and some MicroATX boards (mostly ASUS). As long as the board has USB 2.0 and the BIOS is either AMIBIOS8 or PhoenixBIOS 4 (or Phoenix FirstBIOS) then you're fine.... but the BIOS needs to include manual configuration of USB storage devices. So for instance, what happened to me with the intel board. It had everything, I thought, except the manual configuration so it's unusable to me.

    The problem with the ExtremeIII cards is that they cannot be configured as "fixed" drives which is fine until you need to use ACPI (standby or hibernate). I've used an ExtremeIII 1GB and it is a few seconds faster than the ExtremeI. I've tested two CF-IDE adaptors, one from logicsupply and the other from acscontrol. The logicsupply was faster.

    Right now I'm planning on buying an embedded board, both for the uDOC as well as the nice features they have (besides size, they are more reliable and take up less power than other boards). I have tested the uDOC and it is indeed faster and much more convenient than CF. I posted my results a while ago in the Hardware forum so you can search and read it if you'd like.

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    Cool, thanks for all this info!

    Greatly appreciated... I am going to be using an Asus Pundit barebone in one of the setups so I think the uDOC might work fine with that, can you hook me up with a link to get this uDOC?

    On another note, you were mentioning the embeded boards a while ago on the other fourms right? Pentium M? Can you send me the link to what you are getting?

    Thanks!

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