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    The death of buggy front ends...


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    meh. No. I love my touchscreen, but would go mad trying to gesture my way through using my PC in the car. Gestures IMHO are just terrible in the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonicxtacy02 View Post
    Gestures IMHO are just terrible in the car.

    Oh I don't know, I have a few gestures that work very well in the car.

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    constant gestures with a resistive touch screen are horrible.. but i'm still not feeling using the OS only for in-car use... then there is that nagging issue where microsoft can't seem to get OS's to work without a couple bad versions in between each good one..

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    I'm of a mixed mind about Win8, not as an OS (too early to tell if it's any good), but as a business strategy. Microsoft owns the desktop. Always has and always will. It's a fact and nothing Apple or Linux can or will do is likely to change that in any meaningful way. The ability of the "average" consumer to leverage whatever computer skills they may have at the office AND home made Micorosft OSs a logical choice. Combine that with a significantly lower cost of entry than Apple and most people just naturally bought Windows at home. And since Microsoft was what most folks had at home, most kid's first exposure to computing and PCs was with Microsoft. This has been the status quo for a couple of decades now. Given that history, it's only natural that Microsoft would want to take it's existing architecture and spread it across as many platforms (server/PC/tablet/phone) as possible. Familiarity may breed contempt, but it also breeds loyal customers who immediately recognize how something works and feel at home very quickly. So there was never much of a chance that Microsoft would make a truely radical departure from the existing norm.

    And therein lies the problem. For some time now, most kid's first exposure to tech isn't a PC. It's MUCH more likely to be a smartphone, game console or maybe a tablet. There is a 3-year old in my family that plays Angry Birds (poorly, too...I can kick his ***!). There is a 5 year old that knows how to download and install Angry Birds from the android market every time I delete it off my phone!!! Where as very nearly everyone on this forum became aware of technology through traditional interaction with a PC, the next generation is following a different path....one certainly NOT dominated by Microsoft. There's no question in my mind that the vast majority of kids now growing up will still be using Microsoft in the workplace, and maybe at home too. But Microsoft can no longer count on a "monogamous" relationship with it's users. It remains to be seen whether Microsoft really understands this very fundamental change in the way consumers are getting their first exposure to tech.

    I have seen some amazing demos of IE10, HTML5 and Win8 running on some VERY low-power systems. If they can actually deliver a retail product that lives up to the demos, that would be a pretty good thing.

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    If your frontend has bugs, you're using the wrong frontend. You should find one with undocumented features rather than bugs.
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    some really good points VegasGuy.


    this forum has some great examples of this as well-- where the pc used to be the device to use, the ipad, android tablets, and phones have suddenly creeped in on some of that..

    one of the problems i have as a 'old' windows user(only 24, but grew up with this tech) is the new start menu-- to me, it looks like a phone, and on a core i7 pc, the idea of running a interface without the 'old' norm of a taskbar, and start button seems like a crazy waste of hardware. i guess i am so used to this way of interacting with my pc's, that the idea of having to go through a extra step just to get to that screen bothers me..


    i should also say that i am a advanced-basic pc user. that is, i can build, install, and configure pc's in any way i need to, but i don't facebook, tweet, or keep in touch with 6 thousand people online-- i'm old fashioned-- if i want to talk to someone, i either send a email or call them.. so i have no desire to see tiles that provide the type of live information that the tiles offer..

    in that respect, the world is changing, and changing very fast-- teenagers no longer call each other(i get on my brother and sister all the time for this), but communicate through facebook, texts, and tweets.. so in that respect, i can see a advantage, even if it leaves myself in the dust...

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    That new front interface is why its so great as a car front end. You don't want to use the "start" menu in a car environment. And i'm sure you can change the front page apps (or at least eventually). If you could change those apps to: media player, hd radio player, navigation interface... what else would you need. Also the keyboard is perfect. That covers everything i would need for a front end.

    And yes windows has a horrible track record of first versions, but the issue have always been program specific meaning, you have to find or wait for a fix (like adobe pdf for 64bit os). But when that fix come out, it works fine (i don't know how many pdf's i'll be making while driving down i-95). I've never seen an os to come out where basic functions don't work, so i think even the first run off of win8 would be fine (i'm talking to you centrafuse - 3 versions later and I never know which function will not work after coming up from hibernation or a full shut down... maybe nav, maybe line in for additional mp3's... who knows)

    When it comes to using a front end that doesn't have any bugs at all... come on. Which has no reported bugs at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djvillar View Post
    When it comes to using a front end that doesn't have any bugs at all... come on. Which has no reported bugs at all?

    That can apply to virtually all software.


    Especially the OS those FE's are running on.

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