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    Quote Originally Posted by neon_eddy
    well whatever .. my main point was, why does money need to be our motovator? I find I do my best work Probono, or at least have the most fun.

    I do this for fun. I work in flash and other graphics type stuff, I've been pushing for a 3D based front end for sometime.. but then streetdeck was released,

    I think mediaportal http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ (GPL) might be a project to fork out and make it carPC friendly.. I beleive it uses directX I feel an GPU accelerated option is better because it uses little CPU, unlick flash which is a CPU hog, although if animated right isn't so bad.
    Why not something that uses SDL/OpenGL instead? Cross platform is always nice.

    That's the route I'm taking.

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    turbocad6,
    that is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. thank you.
    There is a high degree of customization that is available. You can pretty much build whatever you want with the Design environment that is drag and drop (no coding needed).
    If there is deemed a market need for a product like this, then the existing core product would be enhanced to meet the specific needs of the CarPC market. There would be a private and then public beta period (as with all releases) and already supports a 30 day trial period for production releases.

    shotgunefx,
    Yes, cross platform is in the migration plan. Today a windows PC needs to be in the mix. Regarding OpenGL, this would be a commercial project, not open source. Kinda the root of the discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidL
    shotgunefx,
    Yes, cross platform is in the migration plan. Today a windows PC needs to be in the mix. Regarding OpenGL, this would be a commercial project, not open source. Kinda the root of the discussion
    What about Mesa?

    The front-end I'm working on is more oriented towards the car itself (though it will do media). But to keep it flexible I've gone with perl using the SDL libraries. The skins are made of html and images. Fairly platform agnostic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidL
    JouS,
    Not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that building an interface in Macromedia Flash is "easy"?

    Sorry if i wasn't clear...
    YES integrating flash in a program to be the graphical user interface IS easy, simple and fast.
    There are some minor limitations but can be solved if you don't have cpu limitations.
    If now, you were talking about a pure flash based program (no backend...only actionscripting), then it is not worth it. Flash can do less than 10% of what VB/C++/C#/... can do.
    A commercial product I would buy must have:
    -FMOD and/or BASS sound engine
    -WinAmp / WMP for video
    -Flash GUI (not only flash elements)
    (i would like to see also an OpenGL/DX interface but it is kind of difficult to make it skinnable)
    -Database.
    Take frodoplayer/RR , put a flash interface and fmod/bass and you have a nice program (perfect for me). Why re-invent the wheel, and why commercial
    And there is always a way to make money from non-commercial products (support/special modules/special editions/...)


    PS.

    As for the actual development of the project in the link, it is not a commercial , nor a commercial "wannabe" program. Plus the thing that no one made or tried to make a "breakthrough" flash interface yet. The first post was submited when the program is 100% usable in my car

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    Any other comments to this thread?

    Interested in all opinions!

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    careful what you wish for you may get it.

    Right now my answer would be no.

    Why? Because the investment to return is not going to be a pretty picture. There are many reasons for this.

    The chief among these is

    1. Car PC's are still an interesting curiosity and not an accepted solution to the main stream. THis technology seems to be having a hard time moving from the tech savy hobbiest into desired mainstream products.

    2. Computer technology eveols much too quickly for any one solution to realistically keep up. Again most mainstream applications needs to apply a KISS solution. 99% of the user base has no idea what a skin file is let alone how to install or modify one.

    3. Outside competition from the OEM's BIg corporations producing car entertainment and navigation systems drive the market. They have the advertising dollars and they call the shots. Every aspect of the aftermarket car product industry is being squeezed by the OEM's. Independent car audio and navigetion aftermarket manufaturers and installers are having trouble making niches for thier products. As the auto manufacturers start catching up to the aftermarket in things like navigation, audio and MP3 player solutions and offering them as standard or optional equipment the prospects for any independent aftermarket product goes way down.

    IMHO the future of the car pc will ultimnately reside in embedded systems. Once developed they are cheap to mass produce, are fool proof and require little or no specialized external peripherals. The seperate add on BOX with processor, hard drive and a host of peripheral I/O will go the way of the dodo bird. Even now our systems are starting to look like cobbled together contraptions.

    BMW has voice control, Almost everyone offers GPS. One minivan now boasts 18 speaker audio systems. The trend is more and more outfitting older vehicles with the latest technology but as these older vehicles make thier way to the scrap yard the prospects go with them.

    Now if purchasers would reject the installation of these still expensive options when they purchase a vehicle and decide to go for higher quality and more flexible and usually cheaper aftermarket options, well then things would be different. But that is not the case. 90% of the comsumer base for new vehicles are not knowledgeable enough to understand that the factory installed Hi End system is inferior to a good aftermarket system and far less flexible, or they just dont care as it is just easier to go with the factory options on a new car than have to take it for a electroniscs install after taking delivery. Plus the vast majority just are not interested in these product in the vehicle. A am / fm with CD is plenty enough.

    Dedicated Car PC's are a hard sell. Most of who are interested are technically experienced and will embrace the free solutions available. For others their notebook handles their mobile computing tasks adaquately. And those who fall inbetween? Well there is just not enough out there to make any serious investment worth while.

    If it is cheap enough well then you would have some business. Say 49.00 bucks for a complete moron proof product and installation. With support for those who fall below the moron standard.

    Now if you came up with this proposal 5 years ago you might have something but the time for it is rapidly evaporating with the advent of IPOD ready OEM units and the like.

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    Streetdeck already has a major jump on you here. It's a full PC install, but they could easily just sell the front end.

    I think you'll find the market small for this app. That is, of people willing to pay for it. The real money would be in selling to OEM's and I can't imagine that companies aren't already doing that.

    Actually, now that I think about it - strike that. The Mac community desperately needs a front end and I'm certain many would pay for it. You ought to look into doing something for the Mac. There's no competition and likely won't be.
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    now there's an idea..... give people a great reason to install mac mini's too.... I'm still waiting for a real reason for me....

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    The problem with all the front-end software I have tried is that it requires countless hours of tweaking to get things to look and work correctly. I'd pay a couple hundred bucks for a commercial package that could be installed and configured in just a few minutes and that would just plain work without any of the weird quirks. To me its worth it because, as much as I enjoy the tweaking, I just don't have the time.

    Don't get me wrong -- I very much appreciate the effort and hard work of the developers here who have built solutions for us and they deserve a big round of kudos.

    It would really be nice, though, to run an install program and have iGuidance work correctly with the front-end right out of the box.
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    Great commentary. Thanx.
    The product I speak of is highly configurable and with that, the OEM won't be interested as they couldn't support it. They also would not yet be interested in a PC application.
    I believe this market is for those that aren't satisfied with what they get from the OEM - even if it is just "different". What sets that car apart from someone elses that came off the same production line. To add some personality into the design choices. It would be either for a DIY'r who like to tinker, or for a dealer who figures out how to get an end to end solution working for the customer who also likes to have the next level, but doesn't personally have the time to tinker with it.

    Keep it coming!!!

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