well...I'm gonna go exchange out my vm4500 for it tom. so hopefully i will be able to post tom. night. To clarify what I was saying, the treo 650 was only released for sprint...it is kind of an exclusive deal until year end supposedly. After this year, it's supposed to come out for cingular/t-mobile. Is what you are saying that because it was designed for both sprint and t-mobile that it is probably going to use the same command set?