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    If it works in the house, but not in the car, fans but no boot is usually an insufficient power issue.

    If it does the same in the house, it's usually because the BIOS got zapped. Resetting the CMOS and/or taking out all but one ram stick usually fixes this. Sometimes if you really screw it up, you have to reflash the BIOS -- some newer motherboards have dual BIOSes for this reason.

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    Well..I sent it back to Newegg for an RMA, but unfortunately they are now out of stock, and no telling when they will get more, so they just gave me a refund....looks like I will be ordering a new one from mp3car...

    Also - crooper, I never got it working in the house or in the car...

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    Just ordered a VIA EPIA SP13000G from here at Mp3Car....

    Giving up the PCMCIA, but I can prob get my Sprint rep to swap my PCMCIA EVDO card for a USB version...

    Hope this is the last big roadblock I have...I am dying to get this PC up and running....

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    Well that sucks. I hope you get your next one working soon. I hate it when stuff doesn't work. Make sure you test it in the house first with the ATX PSU, so there's less chance of unknowingly screwing it up.

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    It seems that the first thing people are doing when they have a problem is posting a message that their M1 or M2 has broken or is defective. People then see a multitude of M1/M2 "problem" threads and think these PSUs are completely useless and full of problems when in fact it may be a completely different issue altogether.

    I think there should be a sticky made for the correct procedure for getting your CarPC ready for installation through proper bench testing. Maybe I'll write one and see if people have other things to add/change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crooper View Post
    If it works in the house, but not in the car, fans but no boot is usually an insufficient power issue.

    If it does the same in the house, it's usually because the BIOS got zapped. Resetting the CMOS and/or taking out all but one ram stick usually fixes this. Sometimes if you really screw it up, you have to reflash the BIOS -- some newer motherboards have dual BIOSes for this reason.

    Well I did everything you said on mine and then some. I ordered a new bios chip put it in and the exact same thing happened. The reason I was able to say my issue was caused by the m2atx is because all in the same day i took the pc tested it at home using a desktop atx power supply, booted fine ran perfect. Go to wire the m2atx in the car, turn the computer on, I hear the fan kick for like 5 sec no vga no post, and then it just turned back off. I say to myself ok let me take the computer back out and test it with the desktop psu, and what do you know doesnt work anymore, get error saying your cpu settings have changed, reset using cmos jumper, pulled cmos battery took out ram, tried diff ram(4diff brands) all in the same day mind you. When I get to the error screen normally if it is still good it will say press f5 for setup or f1 or something, mines did not say that it just froze at that screen. So I said let me just order a new bios chip, maybe it got zapped cuz of power overshoot. Get the new bios chip put it in and same thing. Send the m2atx back and they gave me a new one, but I am scared to use it, just got a new motherboard 1.5ghz jetway and I dont want to fry it with a piece of crap powersupply again.

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    I'd say it's unlikely that the problem is your power supply -- it just delivers power to your motherboard and sends pulses to your on/off switch. Yes, it's true that the M2 isn't the same quality as an Opus or whatever (as the price reflects), but many people use it successfully (including myself).

    The problems you report don't sound power related at all (especially since it doesn't work with a standard psu either). I'd say either the BIOS got screwed up or maybe you shorted some hardware on the board.

    There are lots of ways of breaking motherboards, via static shocks or handling it incorrectly. I've zapped the BIOS on my desktop Asus board a couple times when changing wires around and stuff, and had to reflash the BIOS from a floppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xraycat View Post
    It seems that the first thing people are doing when they have a problem is posting a message that their M1 or M2 has broken or is defective. People then see a multitude of M1/M2 "problem" threads and think these PSUs are completely useless and full of problems when in fact it may be a completely different issue altogether.

    I think there should be a sticky made for the correct procedure for getting your CarPC ready for installation through proper bench testing. Maybe I'll write one and see if people have other things to add/change.
    I agree whgoleheartedly.

    MOST instances of "THE M2 ATX is Broken and Crap" threads turn out to be other problems, mostly user error.

    People need to learn what to do before they start posting useless and incorrect information.

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    Not really sure how to respond to a couple of these posts...

    Are the "People need to learn what to do" comments directed at me?

    If so, just to clarify, if you read my original post, I said I was another frustrated M2-ATX owner, however I never said they were crap, or anything else...

    Also, I work in the IT field, and have for years...I assure you I know how to handle computer components...I will not say that I am an electrical engineer by anymeans, however I can say that I followed the instructions in the M2-ATX manual to the letter. I have built numerous PCs, and have never had an issue similar to this...

    I still believe that my issue is due to a component coming DOA, after some further investigation, it looks like it may be the motherboard now as opposed to the PSU, but still, it is not uncommon...I have read numerous posts on these very forums where people (trusted people with lots of posts) have said that they experienced the same issue as I am, and after changing nothing except purchasing a differant brand PSU, their issue went away...

    That being said, I appreciate everyone that has offered any recommendations, help, and insight, and look forward to getting my first CarPC up and running as soon as the new mobo gets here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty8eight View Post
    Not really sure how to respond to a couple of these posts...

    Are the "People need to learn what to do" comments directed at me?
    Yeap, definitely was.

    Quote Originally Posted by twenty8eight View Post
    If so, just to clarify, if you read my original post, I said I was another frustrated M2-ATX owner, however I never said they were crap, or anything else...
    Why did you not post "ANother Frusterated M2-ATX Owner" instead of "Frusterated VIA EPIA MII12000 or corsair Ram, or 160GB 2.5" HDD Owner" Thread. Cause you jumped to a conclusion, and it was completely wrong. The next person who does a search, and finds this thread, will immediately assume it is the M2s fault, when in this case, and MANY MANY other cases, it is not the PSs fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by twenty8eight View Post
    Also, I work in the IT field, and have for years...I assure you I know how to handle computer components...
    Wow, years of IT experience, and you never thought to use a Desktop PS to see if it was the PS or the MB. Heck, years of IT epxerience, and you don't have another computer in the house to grab a PS from, or have extras sitting around. I am NOT in IT, and I have 3 PSs in a closet just in case. I have heard that "I Have been in computer/IT/Systems Admin" so many times. This is NOT just computing, and is very different.

    Quote Originally Posted by twenty8eight View Post
    I will not say that I am an electrical engineer by anymeans, however I can say that I followed the instructions in the M2-ATX manual to the letter. I have built numerous PCs, and have never had an issue similar to this...
    In all your years of IT, you never ONCE got a defective MB? Maybe you never had these exact symptoms, but still, the troubleshooting should be the same. Why did you IMMEDIATELY blame the M2. Now, I know you will probably say, I read a bunch of threads that said it was the M2, and that is part of the problem, and this thread is now a part of that problem. The M2 is not ALWAYS the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by twenty8eight View Post
    I still believe that my issue is due to a component coming DOA, after some further investigation, it looks like it may be the motherboard now as opposed to the PSU, but still, it is not uncommon...I have read numerous posts on these very forums where people (trusted people with lots of posts) have said that they experienced the same issue as I am, and after changing nothing except purchasing a differant brand PSU, their issue went away...
    I believe that in those instances, the psu is underpowered for the setup, and those people never ONCE did a power calculator, and checked the amperage requirements of each individual PS rail, or user error. Plain and simple. But, just like your MB is defective, the M2 can be defective as well. I guess now, we should all start maligning the Epia board, you know, because it was defective.

    Quote Originally Posted by twenty8eight View Post
    That being said, I appreciate everyone that has offered any recommendations, help, and insight, and look forward to getting my first CarPC up and running as soon as the new mobo gets here....
    Hopefully it will be resolved soon. Thw M2 is a great PS when used properly and within spec. I know, I have been using the same "Beta Test" unit I received way back when.

    Michael
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