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    Do I still need a regulator?

    I've mapped out my car PC plan component by component and there's one thing I'm still unsure about...
    I have a CarPC Pro v.2.4 controller going to an M1-ATX 90watt which in turn will power a VIA 1.2ghz MIII 2000. According to the load calc for wattage, my requirements for power usage to supply all of my components fall well under the threshold, *BUT* I need to know if even with the CarPC Pro and the M1-ATX do I still need a regulator?

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    no... that's the entire job of the M1-ATX.

    The only ATX DC-DC supplies that you have to use a regulator with are the PW200 and other iTuner supplies that don't regulate their 12v rail.
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    power doesn't need to be regulated going into the CarPC Pro?

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    no... and do you really need a $100 shutdown controller when the M1-ATX has one built in?
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    If you can, return that CarPC Pro cuz the M1-ATX already does (most) of CarPC pro does. Now you know why evandude said about 100 buck SDC.
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    Thanks for the info...I originally based my plan for supplying power from the FAQ.

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    Is there an error in the FAQ? Which one? I'll correct it if necessary.
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    I didn't find any errors in the Faq on Power supplies myself, but I also didn't see anything in the description or the manual for the M1-ATX that mentions word for word about regulating power (I have limited knowledge of combining a PC with 12V automotive power application). According to the FAQ it reads like this:

    "First, it is important to explain that there are several components that come to mind when discussing "power systems". However, not all of these components are power related but are often confused as part of the power system. Here is a typical chain of components:

    Battery --> Regulator --> startup/shutdown controller --> Power supply --> Computer

    Note that the regulator is not, per se, a power supply component. It's job is to REGULATE the power that comes from the battery and alternator to ensure that voltage spikes that could damage the computer don't get through. It also may supply additional power if the voltage momentarily drops below 12 volts, as when starting the car (known as "cranking").

    Rule of thumb: If you need over 150 watts of power, you are looking at using an inverter. If you need less, you may be able to use a DC-DC converter.

    Words of wisdom: You need BOTH power regulation AND a power supply if you want your system to work properly and reliably."

    I would have rather spent money to follow this faq to the letter than find ways to cut corners. That is also why the CarPC Pro was in my initial plan as I planned on having a touch screen in the console and two LCDs in the rear of the vehicle. That could also have been solved by running a wire from the remote jumper on the M1-ATX to a relay that would power the screens on and off with the PC. Also, overheating is a major concern for me because this vehicle will be outside of my studio all summer and the CarPC pro lists a feature that prevents operation during temperature extremes. After searching the forums for some time, I have yet to see a post concerning a fix to add a feature for temperature sensors to start system shutdown when necessary. To a first-timer like myself and someone who also knows plenty enough about constructing PCs, the FAQ on power supplies should be followed to the letter until experience leads to being able to save money the safe way. Once again, thanks for the info.

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    I think it's plain to see why you were confused. That FAQ is definitely very misleading, even wrong. The only DC-DC I know of that fits that description is the iTuner series, as I mentioned before, as every other ATX DC-DC actually regulates its 12v line. And that FAQ implies the use of a single-output, 12v DC-DC converter (regulator), which would only need to be used in such a case.
    But don't take it from me! here's a quote from a real, live newbie:
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    Okay, my fault guys. I'll change the FAQ to be more explicit. I was trying to articulate the difference between a regulator and a power supply. The table that followed was supposed to tell you whether regulation was built in to the M1-ATX but I had put a ? mark instead of an 'X' as I wasn't sure if the M1-ATX provided regulation.

    Sorry if the way it was worded caused you any problems! I'll make and adjustment.

    And also, if those who are chiming in could read the FAQ and post in the thread if there are other changes that need to be made or more info to be provided.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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